2019/20 Marcel Brands

Coggy · August 9, 2020

Nymzee said:
Why was last summer a debacle? Signed Gomes on a perm which we all wanted, signed a defensive mid that we wanted, got RB cover, signed an exciting young striker and not everyone was against Iwobi but preferred Zaha who we were priced out of. Sold some unhappy players for profit like Lookman. Not much of a debacle to me.

Don't talk sense and reason about Brands mate , you'll aggravate you know who !

ToffeeTim · August 9, 2020

Nymzee said:
Why was last summer a debacle? Signed Gomes on a perm which we all wanted, signed a defensive mid that we wanted, got RB cover, signed an exciting young striker and not everyone was against Iwobi but preferred Zaha who we were priced out of. Sold some unhappy players for profit like Lookman. Not much of a debacle to me.

The signings came far too late.

Sidibe was low risk but adequate at best.

Delph a disastrous signing.

Iwobi just pure desperation for a massive fee.

Didnt get a centre half and seemed obsessed with Zouma who isn't even good enough in the first place.

Far too many players were loaned and are still on our books.

Debacle maybe slightly exagerrated but it was far from good. I just want a summer where we don't obsess over average premier league players and actually get players in for pre season.

Nymzee · August 9, 2020

ToffeeTim said:
The signings came far too late.

Sidibe was low risk but adequate at best.

Delph a disastrous signing.

Iwobi just pure desperation for a massive fee.

Didnt get a centre half and seemed obsessed with Zouma who isn't even good enough in the first place.

Far too many players were loaned and are still on our books.

Debacle maybe slightly exagerrated but it was far from good. I just want a summer where we don't obsess over average premier league players and actually get players in for pre season.

Starting to piss the bed a bit this year aren’t ya Timmy

ToffeeTim · August 9, 2020

Nymzee said:
Starting to piss the bed a bit this year aren’t ya Timmy

No I'm not, I expect us to only be active late in the window. I just dont agree with it. The proof will be in the pudding.

riddick · August 9, 2020

I think he had a really good first window a non existent 2nd(and 4th and probably 6th) window, and a poor third window. Delph was a terrible signing no matter how you look at it, Iwobi made no sense in any form of rationalization. Gblammo was a complete and utter freak of bad luck so not a plus or minus on him. I REALLY rate Kean so thats a good one. Gomes is what Gomes was.

Nymzee · August 9, 2020

ToffeeTim said:
No I'm not, I expect us to only be active late in the window. I just dont agree with it. The proof will be in the pudding.

Have a look around the PL to see just how little business has happened so far.

ToffeeTim · August 9, 2020

Nymzee said:
Have a look around the PL to see just how little business has happened so far.

Not a big lot other than Chelsea. One month to go isnt that long though so I expect things to start happening very soon.

Brownie · August 9, 2020

FYI if you are addressing Marcel in a social situation he prefers to be called only by his surname. If he takes a liking to you, you might get away with Branzo.

Nymzee · August 9, 2020

ToffeeTim said:
Not a big lot other than Chelsea. One month to go isnt that long though so I expect things to start happening very soon.

Exactly. If all teams were busy and we weren’t I’d get it but that’s not the case.

ToffeeTim · August 9, 2020

Nymzee said:
Exactly. If all teams were busy and we weren’t I’d get it but that’s not the case.

We only need to worry about ourselves though. Would be nice to have some players moved on before preseason begins.

Nymzee · August 9, 2020

ToffeeTim said:
We only need to worry about ourselves though. Would be nice to have some players moved on before preseason begins.

I think perspective is important.

sd_1992 · August 9, 2020

Complaining that he doesn’t like how the transfer game is played is probably why we don’t get our targets.

Martin Alvito · August 9, 2020

Nymzee said:
Why was last summer a debacle? Signed Gomes on a perm which we all wanted, signed a defensive mid that we wanted, got RB cover, signed an exciting young striker and not everyone was against Iwobi but preferred Zaha who we were priced out of. Sold some unhappy players for profit like Lookman. Not much of a debacle to me.

On outcome it was a debacle, but it's hard to hang the Gomes and Gbamin injuries (or Kean's slow start) on Brands. Iwobi and Delph look like bricks (and I'll admit to being wrong about Delph).

I don't think it's too harsh to say that it was the sort of window that gets a manager fired.

The basic problem is that we were in such a state when Brands came in that he has very little margin for error. Recruiting Carlo is probably enough to keep us comfortably up, but with what we're spending the ambition has to be to get comfortably out in front of teams like Wolves and Leicester.

jamieni · August 9, 2020

Martin Alvito said:
On outcome it was a debacle, but it's hard to hang the Gomes and Gbamin injuries (or Kean's slow start) on Brands. Iwobi and Delph look like bricks (and I'll admit to being wrong about Delph).

I don't think it's too harsh to say that it was the sort of window that gets a manager fired.

The basic problem is that we were in such a state when Brands came in that he has very little margin for error. Recruiting Carlo is probably enough to keep us comfortably up, but with what we're spending the ambition has to be to get comfortably out in front of teams like Wolves and Leicester.

It definitely worked out badly but most of the recruitment last summer looked decent. The only two question marks were not signing a CB and moving for Iwobi, which I think most people were somewhat surprised by.