2019/20 Marcel Brands

[Neiler]

Brands arrived in May and Klaassen left in July, why are you making things up?

How do you know a deal wasnt done in February you dont, as we all know we had the player on the market from the Jan window onward. The making things up argument can be made either way. The deal was rubber stamped before he came back from annual leave. I said i was open minded about it.

My feeling was it wasnt necessarily a brands deal at the time, but im open minded about it.

 

[MikeH72]

How do you know a deal wasnt done in February you dont, the making things up argument can be made either way. I said i was open minded about it.

My feeling was it wasnt necessarily a brands deal at the time, but im open minded about it.

If the deal was done in February it wouldn’t have been concluded on the 27th July, 2 weeks before the start of the season. It was a Brands deal, and if you felt it wasn’t at the time then I’m not sure what mushrooms you were taking because that would’ve been an odd conclusion to draw 10 weeks after Brands was appointed.

 

[davek]

The model leads itself to conflict in my opinion. Silva is content for Brands to take the limelight, imagine someone with BFS or Koemans ego and Brands doing his glossy photo shoots and articles. I can see difficult dynamics ahead.

Trouble.

Yep. It's always a model open to conflict.

If it makes sense from one angle it makes less sense from others.

Another reason it's a poor fit for Everton is that there's an owner who quite clearly likes to back seat drive; that has implications for both DoF and CEO positions.

Bottom line: Moshiri thought he was being industry savvy by bringing in a supremo when the evidence that it helps a club of this size out is negligible.

 

[Neiler]

If the deal was done in February it wouldn’t have been concluded on the 27th July, 2 weeks before the start of the season. It was a Brands deal, and if you felt it wasn’t at the time then I’m not sure what mushrooms you were taking because that would’ve been an odd conclusion to draw 10 weeks after Brands was appointed.

Could be, but he had been on the market since Jan this we know so something could have been set up before. Im not prepared to say it was or it wasnt, its a grey area. From memory the timing of the deal had much to do with Davy returning from leave as opposed to coinciding with Brands. Im not to bothered im sure he had some role in it ceremonially, but as he was hardly here a wet week, id be of the thinking it had been in the pipeline myself.

I dont really care to be honest with you. Its a subjective debate, depending on your opinion and unprovable.

 

[MikeH72]

Could be, but he had been on the market since Jan this we know so something could have been set up before. Im not prepared to say it was or it wasnt, its a grey area. From memory the timing of the deal had much to do with Davy returning from leave as opposed to coinciding with Brands. Im not to bothered im sure he had some role in it ceremonially, but as he was hardly here a wet week, id be of the thinking it had been in the pipeline myself.

I dont really care to be honest with you. Its a subjective debate, depending on your opinion and unprovable.

I don’t think it is myself mate. But that’s just my opinion.

 

[Neiler]

Yep. It's always a model open to conflict.

If it makes sense from one angle it makes less sense from others.

Another reason it's a poor fit for Everton is that there's an owner who quite clearly likes to back seat drive; that has implications for both DoF and CEO positions.

Bottom line: Moshiri thought he was being industry savvy by bringing in a supremo when the evidence that it helps a club of this size out is negligible.

There is always an element, of looking elsewhere and seeing what works and copying that, we are however Everton and we have a unique culture of intimacy, community and familiarity its one of the hall marks and attractions of the club. Creating divisions and a structure of corporate governance and distance, dynamics and conflicts, isnt keeping with those values.

That said i dont think Silva an Brands are necessarily, a bad mix, but we have seen how the model can be very dangerous by the interplay of the manager, DOF, Board and owner in the last life cycle of those who held those positions previously and how the model can impact the welfare of the club.

 

[mahermi1]

How does that work? We sold Klaassen for a knockdown price.

Or we sold Klassen for nearer the figure we should have bought him at.

 

[Neiler]

I don’t think it is myself mate. But that’s just my opinion.

Thats cool, im not trying to win hearts and minds. With debates on the internet, you have a choice, you can be right or happy. In this case im off to match in Croke Park so im choosing to be happy! You can be right if you like, no disrespect!! Im open minded about it

 

[toffeejack]

To be fair to Dave though, this is part of Brands' job at the end of the day

I'm completely sympathetic to Brands on this issue because he's inherited an absolute ship show with some of these players and shifting them is going to be really difficult. However, the fact remains that it is part of his remit to get these players off the books and he hasn't really done the best job in regards it getting these players gone on perm deals

I don't think we should hammer Brands for it, but we shouldn't give him a free pass either. There's a middle ground here I feel

Yeah, whilst I agree in some ways, I do also agree with, how on earth can he shift a 26 year old garbutt on 30k wages when only teams in league 1 want him? But I think to give him the benefit of the doubt, he'll find it a lot easier to sell players when he only has to shift 5 or 6 in a summer. He's got to get about 20 players off the books this summer he simply hasn't got enough time to barter and haggle with clubs trying to get good fees as well as get 6 or so in. He can't be picky when a club offers to take a player atm. I don't know how many we have out of contact again next season but it'll be a slow gradual exodus over the next couple of years.

 

[davek]

There is always an element, of looking elsewhere and seeing what works and copying that, we are however Everton and we have a unique culture of intimacy, community and familiarity its one of the hall marks and attractions of the club. Creating divisions and a structure of corporate governance and distance, dynamics and conflicts, isnt keeping with those values.

That said i dont think Silva an Brands are necessarily, a bad mix, but we have seen how the model can be very dangerous by the interplay of the manager, DOF, Board and owner in the last life cycle of those who held those positions previously and how the model can impact the welfare of the club.

If Silva hadn't picked up the wins against the 'bigger' clubs late last season, I'm not sure if Brands wouldn't have reacted...especially given the availability of Cocu....who I'd bet a pound to a pinch of snuff will be in Brands plans again if Silva dips again this season.

 

[davek]

Or we sold Klassen for nearer the figure we should have bought him at.

Either way it makes the same difference.

 

[The Penalty Box Dancer]

And that's taking into account how many transfers in his time here?

He done well given his limitations. It worked for us at the time. Moyes would say who he wanted and Kenwright would sanction it. He made money on Rodwell and Lescott most notably.

 

[davids]

He did well given his limitations. It worked for us at the time. Moyes would say who he wanted and Kenwright would sanction it. He made money on Rodwell and Lescott most notably.

And compared to other top division teams lost very little.

 

[mahermi1]

Either way it makes the same difference.

No it doesn't at all, you can't blame Brands when clearly Koeman / Walsh bought that player for much more than he was worth. Because you are accusing Brands of selling him too cheaply. Believe it or not Dave, you can't have it both ways. Your agenda against Brands is becoming laughable, especially considering the players brought in last year.

 

[Azza]

Once again davek derails another thread with his wum obsession antics.