2020/21 Marcel Brands

[jamieni]

Events don't always affect the conclusion though.

All we know if Real Madrid came calling and he ditched us but which Everton manager in our history would have turned down the Real Madrid job? If he'd taken a sideways or backwards step then sure, you could put more weight into apparent clashes with a Director of Football or the break in, but he left for one of the biggest - and arguably easiest - jobs in world football. If what what we have been told about his lack of coaching with us perhaps this job was just too difficult for him in the end.

No manager is going to turn down a move from Everton to Real for sure. I’m sure Carlo fancied another crack at the biggest job in world football, in a familiar city with a better climate. It’s a no brainer for him.

 

[Neiler]

He's failed here. There's no getting away from that.

He's overseen a catastrophe.

It’s very hard not to agree with this mate, year 4, we’ve disimproved via a lot of money as the crow flies we are getting worse. Can’t buy to improve us, can’t sell, no resale on his own signings. It’s really bad. Any honeymoon he had in terms of mitigation is gone. Deeper in the hole we go.

 

[davek]

It’s very hard not to agree with this mate, year 4, we’ve disimproved via a lot of money as the crow flies we are getting worse. Can’t buy to improve us, can’t sell, no resale on his own signings. It’s really bad. Any honeymoon he had in terms of mitigation is gone. Deeper in the hole we go.

How has he been given a new contract?

Is this all smoke and mirrors and everyine knows he's failed and the new contract was bogus - allowing him time to secure a gig elsewhere? That's the only rationale I can come up with.

He is an utter disaster here.

 

[JLW]

How has he been given a new contract?

Is this all smoke and mirrors and everyine knows he's failed and the new contract was bogus - allowing him time to secure a gig elsewhere? That's the only rationale I can come up with.

He is an utter disaster here.

I wouldn't say disaster but I'm swaying towards not good enough, he still has time to get this squad right before the window closes.

 

[davek]

I wouldn't say disaster but I'm swaying towards not good enough, he still has time to get this squad right before the window closes.

He looks like he's in control of nothing. I fail to see how he's getting any sort of grip on the situation here in any respect: we're a basket case in terms of transfer activity now, shackled in no small part due to his profligacy with wages and fees; I see no impact on playing style; he has no say so in managers brought in.

 

[JLW]

He looks like he's in control of nothing. I fail to see how he's getting any sort of grip on the situation here in any respect: we're a basket case in terms of trasnsfer activity now, shackled in no small p[art due to his profligacy with wages and fees; I see no impact on playing style; he has no say so in managers brought in.

It is all a bit of a mess at the minute but not all his fault.
I thought this was the transfer window where he came to the fore and would make us real competitors at the top end of the table.
I think this is his 6th transfer window and the squad should really be taking shape now under his guidance but im not seeing it.

 

[ArtetaMoney]

Sidibe?

What number is Sidibe wearing for us this season?

 

[Neiler]

How has he been given a new contract?

Is this all smoke and mirrors and everyine knows he's failed and the new contract was bogus - allowing him time to secure a gig elsewhere? That's the only rationale I can come up with.

He is an utter disaster here.

I suspect the goal is to get to BM with PL status in tact. We’re all just going to be managed. If this summer is anything to by, it’s about shepherding that process via your Andres Townsend and be lightening rod in a way, but the worm is turning, all the “Marcel” usernames on here are being abandoned, he can’t hide behind managers anymore, the honey moon period is over and his work is being more and more appraised. More and more supporters are picking up on the red flags, lack of effective use of resources, player selection, squad building and managing a budget. Before we look at selling players. If you were to score those competencies out of 10 for him they wouldn’t be high.

How the hell did have a celebratory documentary made about him, sheep!

 

[oglop44]

What number is Sidibe wearing for us this season?

But Brands did sign him, and he is a right back. Look we can both be painfully pedantic about it and I would very much like a new right back too but to say that Brands hasn't signed a right back in 6/7 transfer windows just isn't true. Not all transfers work out but obviously Brands knows we need a new right back. That's also why we've persevered with Holgate and Kenny after their "good" loans.

 

[ArtetaMoney]

King wasn’t a bad deal. Short term cover.
Carlo was foolish to not use him when our attacking options were so poor. King is also a very good example of why the Winter window is terrible for business, so scratch three of your windows.

Next, need to have some context with the right back situation. Our squad has been running on fumes with holes all over it. Other positions have consistently been more desperate than RB and the profligate spending from the previous regimes had finally caught up.

We could have signed s RB, but at the expense of a CM. It is no doubt a calculation that has been discussed with the managers repeatedly.

You’re missing my point.

We needed a striker after we sent Kean to PSG, at the time we were linked with King. We were in a great position come Christmas but we’re desperately short of players, especially attacking ones.

Then Marcel spent all of January sorting a deal out for someone we were linked with months before. By the end of Jan we’d plummeted down the league and the player he signed was deemed not good enough by the manager. That’s poor from Brands and potentially cost us the best chance we’ve had of finishing high up the table, in years.

 

[ArtetaMoney]

But Brands did sign him, and he is a right back. Look we can both be painfully pedantic about it and I would very much like a new right back too but to say that Brands hasn't signed a right back in 6/7 transfer windows just isn't true.

He loaned a RB that wasn’t good enough, as cover for the one we’ve got who also hasn’t been good enough for years. I’m not sure why you can’t see that isn’t good enough recruitment.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

It’s very hard not to agree with this mate, year 4, we’ve disimproved via a lot of money as the crow flies we are getting worse. Can’t buy to improve us, can’t sell, no resale on his own signings. It’s really bad. Any honeymoon he had in terms of mitigation is gone. Deeper in the hole we go.

It's very easy to disagree.

Look at the squad we had when he come in and compare it to now.

"He's overseen a catastrophe"

He come in during a catastrophe - Everton, managed by Sam Allardyce with this team. Always needed time to clear out this mess. He had to remove a 1/4 of the squad - wait until contracts finished for the likes of Schneiderlin, Garbutt, Stekelenburg ,Sandro Ramirez, Yannick Bolasie, Cenk Tosun, Theo Walcott, Oumar Niasse, Cuco Martina, Muhamed Besic, Shani Tarashaj . This team was a starting 11 in the Prem a couple of months before Brands come in;

It's coming up to crunch time when we have to start seeing an improvement competitively on the pitch though, our league positions have gone backwards since he's come in - but let's not make out that Brands is the reason we've struggled. Walsh and Koeman crippled this club.

Most of FFP burden is from before Brands.

 

[oglop44]

I’m not sure why you can’t see that isn’t good enough recruitment.

Where did you get this from?

Of course it isn't good enough but recruitment is also difficult! My point is that you're suggesting (and I've seen others doing the same) that Brands hasn't signed a right back in his time at the club implying that he's oblivious to the problem or incompetent and it just isn't true. Him signing Sidibe is clear evidence.

 

[blueblue]

It’s very hard not to agree with this mate, year 4, we’ve disimproved via a lot of money as the crow flies we are getting worse. Can’t buy to improve us, can’t sell, no resale on his own signings. It’s really bad. Any honeymoon he had in terms of mitigation is gone.

Brands did tell Moshiri when appointed not to expect a short term fix.
The biggest part of his job since his appointment was to get players out of the club rather than getting players in and by and large that is nearly completed now.
I think Tosun and probably JJ Kenny are the last two left that were at the club before he arrived and JJ Kenny was being given every chance to prove he has a future at Everton.

As far as I can see that leaves Delph (signed by Brands) that has no future at the club and most of us would add Iwobi to that list but maybe the manager wouldn't as so far he seems to fit into his plans.

Has Brands made mistakes... plenty of them, but I do think he has suffered from having had so many managers to deal with each who will have wanted to put his own stamp on the team.

At least now the reckless spending seems to have stopped and value for money seems to be important.

Recrutment in the summer of 2020 was good and we seemed to get good value for money spent. I think the recent sale of Ben White would give a good indicator of the value of Ben Godfrey now and Doucoure has at the very least maintained his value and Allan's value may have reduced a little largely because of age.
The situation with Jamez is still unclear.

Recruitment this summer is modest and it would be hard not to get some return on Demarai Gray.

Brands is responsible for Mina, Digne,Godfrey,Richarlison,Allan,Gbamin,Doucoure,Nkonkou and Branthwaite. I consider this the nucleus of a good team.

I don't think he has been a failure but I would not say a success either. I think he has done well enough in very difficult circumstances.
He has had both successes and failures in the market but so does everybody.

 

[APN_EFC]

It's very easy to disagree.

Look at the squad we had when he come in and compare it to now.

"He's overseen a catastrophe"

He come in during a catastrophe - Everton, managed by Sam Allardyce with this team. Always needed time to clear out this mess. He had to remove a 1/4 of the squad - wait until contracts finished for the likes of Schneiderlin, Garbutt, Stekelenburg ,Sandro Ramirez, Yannick Bolasie, Cenk Tosun, Theo Walcott, Oumar Niasse, Cuco Martina, Muhamed Besic, Shani Tarashaj . This team was a starting 11 in the Prem a couple of months before Brands come in;

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It's coming up to crunch time when we have to start seeing an improvement competitively on the pitch though, our league positions have gone backwards since he's come in - but let's not make out that Brands is the reason we've struggled. Walsh and Koeman crippled this club.

Most of FFP burden is from before Brands.

HOLY S*** when was this 'Everton Team' fielded. Can not quite believe my eyes on that team sheet!