JobForTheMoyes
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Haha! As if a landlubber like you would know the modern pirate parlance
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hktoffee
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How? In the league? Where do you get the stats. Or you just include games against some Sunday League teams? Martínez was a massive failure he won 21/22 games in his last two seasons. So you are suggesting Martínez had a better league winning % than Moyes. That’s untrue.
43 wins out of 113 games that is 38% winning rate for RM.
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mccole
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He has brought in 4 first team players which have improved the team but the squad hasn't due to a lot of loans and no youth development.
Regardinge performances we have been some of the best in a long time however the results have been very meh.
We outplayed Arsenal and United and even deserved something from the Derby away from but essentially lost just like in the previous seasons (bar Martinez) plus silly draws in winning positions plus dumped out of the league cup early on haven't helped.
All in all, he has a lot of work to do in terms of improving the starting 11 with issues on the right side and striker options plus strengthen the squad.
Regardinge performances we have been some of the best in a long time however the results have been very meh.
We outplayed Arsenal and United and even deserved something from the Derby away from but essentially lost just like in the previous seasons (bar Martinez) plus silly draws in winning positions plus dumped out of the league cup early on haven't helped.
All in all, he has a lot of work to do in terms of improving the starting 11 with issues on the right side and striker options plus strengthen the squad.
In all fixtures. Why would it just be the league that would count.
Martinez won 42.7 per cent of games.
Moyes won 42.2 per cent.
It's easy calculate
So don't accuse me of tellin lies.
kiss the crest
Player Valuation: £35m
It also does my head in the results you have mentioned, but he is currently working with some duds. Once he gets his team together let’s see how he fares then.
We simply can’t keep pressing reset after 6 months of a manager in charge, we will constantly be in transition.
Silva is still sorting out who he wants to keep, Walcott is a perfect example of this, too inconsistent
Nice post that.
We have undoubtedly improved in many areas in the past 6/12 months. We have been unfortunate in games (or not clinical enough) but I’d take this squad and this manager over anything we’ve had in the past 3/4 years.
New players will not always settle immediately and with time can turn into great players, I recall quite a few who started slowly or just took a while to find their level and I think with the amount of new faces we have we may not see the best of them for a while, I’m thinking of the following;
Salah
Pogba
Sane
Sterling
Lamella
Eriksson
Sissoko (was getting all sorts of abuse from
Spurs fans last season)
2 notables from not so long ago..
Drogba
Henry
Howard Kendal’s Everton
Alex Ferguson’s United
I accept completely that plenty of new signings/managers have started slowly for their clubs due to them being crap! I’ve added a few links at the bottom on how Marco Silva is changing Everton (Aug 2018) and one on PL clubs record signings and how they have faired.
https://www.football365.com/news/slowly-but-surely-how-marco-silva-is-changing-everton
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talk...er-league-clubs-record-signing-transfers/amp/
KaiserEFC
Player Valuation: £70m
Oh I think the people calling for his head are absolute lunatics at this point. I’m just not convinced by him is all
hktoffee
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Because I am talking about the league winning rate all along which El fraudo was really crap at. What is the point of adding the winning rate against some League 1 side to the figure? To suit your agenda that the 11th place king is not an inept manager? It does not reflect his ability in leading his side to win games in PL. The league is bread and butter.
And it is not easy calculation. Moyes had 11 seasons here. Martínez was sacked and had only 3 seasons. Moyes had shown in longer terms (yea 11 seasons) he is the better with literally no money to back up him.
Eggsyblueskin
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Spurious debate. Both won nowt ergo both were failures
toffeeblue9
Player Valuation: £35m
Not going to attempt to read previous posts in this thread as I imagine many of them would annoy me
So I'll simply say this - it's hugely unlikely that any manager will guarantee immediate short-term big improvements, so at some point we need to pick a manager and give him 2 or 3 years before we even consider making a change - I'm perfectly happy for this to be Marco Silva - big improvement, largely, on the football we've played for a few years and certainly seems to have more defensive nous than when Martinez was here. We are inconsistent, and I was half-expecting this but I've seen people on Twitter calling for his head already and we will never, ever progress if people continue to think as short term as this.
The DoF seems to have far more about him than the previous incumbent, so I'd much rather place my faith in the pair of them for a couple of years rather than make any snap decision because we've had a bad run of results in December.
By all means criticise individual decisions Silva makes, tactics, personnel choices etc, but swerve the shouts to replace him for at least another year or two
So I'll simply say this - it's hugely unlikely that any manager will guarantee immediate short-term big improvements, so at some point we need to pick a manager and give him 2 or 3 years before we even consider making a change - I'm perfectly happy for this to be Marco Silva - big improvement, largely, on the football we've played for a few years and certainly seems to have more defensive nous than when Martinez was here. We are inconsistent, and I was half-expecting this but I've seen people on Twitter calling for his head already and we will never, ever progress if people continue to think as short term as this.
The DoF seems to have far more about him than the previous incumbent, so I'd much rather place my faith in the pair of them for a couple of years rather than make any snap decision because we've had a bad run of results in December.
By all means criticise individual decisions Silva makes, tactics, personnel choices etc, but swerve the shouts to replace him for at least another year or two
So we disregard all cups from our history.
Good man. But losses to the likes of Shrewsbury would suit your agenda for moyes
I stated martinez had a better win percentage. He had. You never specified a time limit.
Both won nothin here. Neither were the answer.
What's moyes win per cent age at the 4 clubs who sacked him since Everton?
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I agree. And that is the point I was making.
People go on about moyes like he was a messiah. He won nothing. And went to 4 more clubs including probably the biggest in the world and got sacked from them. Even though one may say it was by mutual consent.
He's not the bench mark for a manager at our club to be measured.
That's Kendall. The best.
Is that the same Kendall the fans were shouting to be sacked, just before his glory years?
Some people have short memories. The knee jerk reaction of some folk on here is bewildering, I'm sure if we had listened to them in early 84, then we'd not even have had those good times.
Get a grip and support the man in place, instead of constant whining.
hktoffee
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I am suggesting Moyes was a much better Everton manager than Martínez. Are you saying he is not then?
You can say Kendall or even Alex Ferguson as aspiration (win the league or something), the reality is we can’t even beat the mighty Brighton & Hove Albion after spending £300m plus in 3 years. The first step to make progession is to be the best outside the top 6 again much like the Moyes’s era. Build a solid platform hoping to make break though in a few years time.
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