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Marco Silva

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catcherintherye said:
This looks a likely option for me. I sense the Watford board have decided that figures being offered don't compensate for loss of a manager part way through a season. As you yourself have said, similar clauses with your previous 2 managers happened, and the club seem to be a clear process that managers can go after 1 season. You seem adept at finding replacements, but understandably know this is a lot harder mid season. I have to say, I am very surprised you didn't offer him a longer deal and slightly amend your policy for Silva, but there you go.

The Silva to Everton thing I don't think is nailed on at all in 6 months though. I think thats why he is keen to move now. There is every chance a full takeover has occurred at Everton by then. There will also potentially be managers like Tuchel and Ancelotti who will be ready to make a decision, and even (though at a push) Simeone, or more likely the manager Simeone takes over from (possibly Conte).
Everton (providing we stay up) will be a far more attractive prospect in the summer, with a whole pre season to sort out the mess of this season.

Within that context Marco Silva doesn't seem quite as stand out candidate. He is flavour of the month currently, though I saw a stat that showed Watford had exactly the same points after 12 games last season. We are very early doors, and without being offensive you have a history of ending seasons badly. If there is lots of speculation of Silva I suspect this pattern may be repeated, it may even be a more severe decline.

Likewise Silva could buck the trend, though currently I think there is in many ways too big a jump between Watford and the top 7 clubs (of last season) other than Everton. It's difficult to see him breaking into Europe, though maybe if he wins a cup he gets a chance? I think he needs a job in between. Maybe thats Everton, though it could be a poisoned chalice, or maybe it's a club abroad.
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Mate they sacked the Udinese managers (the same owner) and hired another Italian manager instantly - i honestly don't think they give a flying one about managers leaving (on their terms usually) - this is entirely about getting maximum return on their 'asset' - just like the player sales they have as a model.

You called Silva flavour of the month, for owners that have a stated model of buying at the lowest price and selling the asset at the peak value of them, question to yuo, when is Silva at his 'peak value' - if not when he is flavour of the month and we are desperate?

If you need an example of 'why' they didn't offer Silva a longer deal btw, think about this, over the past 5 seasons - and say for example we end up paying 15m for Silva, calculate exactly how much money we have spent on bringing in and paying off in a 5 year spell, just managers

rough calculations - Martinez pay off - circa -10m, koeman payoff - circa -10m, buying Koeman off Saints - circa - 5m, getting Martinez off Wigan - 1.5m - throw in 15m for Silva

then factor in we have been paying big wages - more than are station in the league would dictate for manager srecently - Koeman recieved pretty much 8m in salary for just over a years work, Martinez received 6m for his last two years (after a new contract after season 1) and approx 1.5m for his first season - so 15.5m in salaries paid

So we have already over 5 years sank pretty much 41.5m in paying manager off when sacked or in poaching them off other teams, and to attract or keep them we have paid 15.5m in wages over that 4 and a bit seasons. so 57m in a little over 4 seasons on managers in total.

which is the equivalent of us paying 14m a year in a wage if we had hired initially a manager without compensation and he had succeeded. for the record - Both Guardiola and Mourinho are on approximately 15m a season, and neither cost any compensation to their current clubs...
 
You have the sense a dialogue is going on behind the scenes, no comment from Watford or Everton, neither is there any medja reports of Everton moving on. All of that with Silva showing us a bit of leg with his comments, he obviously knows what going down. All silence says it’s on.
 
So it seems we are getting Silva when not if and we are going to pay out a massive amount of compensation to get him, more than normal clubs would do because, reasons.

Not sure if anyone has touched upon it but I have a bit feeling for the second time this year and certainly within a few months bringing Silva in for a huge amount of money is going to have such a negative effect if he doesn't immediately improve the team and move us upwards. In fact, we could well be siggurdsoning him.

What I mean by that is take a good manager with potential, spend out far more than we should to bring him here and then hold him to a far higher standard than he deserves to be. Siggurdson is a good player in the right team, play to his strengths and he is dependable and well worth of a shirt. However at 45 million, he looks nowhere near the player he is because the standard at 45 million is much higher. The only reason why we paid 45 million is because we were willing to, and as a result the expectation on him compared to say vlasic is much bigger despite siggurdson never making himself out to be a 'star' player. When he isn't getting man of the match performances then the fans get on his back and over analyse his game more than any other player and only the board are to blame for that, after all the age old question this year of 'did we really need him wouldn't be asked at half the price .

So the point I rambled away from here. Silva is in danger of the exact same thing. The time it took to get him here, the price we pay to get him here, all the expectation of how good he must be and how he is the top choice and right man for the job etc. What if he struggles at first? What if his initial ideas don't work? What if the results just don't come in the short term? Will he get the same treatment considering the fans will expect a manager worth paying a massive compensation fee for, for having to wait weeks for, to have so much hype for past achievements for.

And that is going to be a massive issue hanging over the club, because he either succeeds and he is the right man for the job well worth the time cost and effort, or he just looks like the other side of the coin, a manager who isn't cut out for the level we exoect him to be at and past glories are amplified simply because Everton and moshiri wanted him at the club.
 

Neiler said:
You have the sense a dialogue is going on behind the scenes, no comment from Watford or Everton, neither is there any medja reports of Everton moving on. All of that with Silva showing us a bit of leg with his comments, he obviously knows what going down. All silence says it’s on.
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bluestevon said:
Mate they sacked the Udinese managers (the same owner) and hired another Italian manager instantly - i honestly don't think they give a flying one about managers leaving (on their terms usually) - this is entirely about getting maximum return on their 'asset' - just like the player sales they have as a model.

You called Silva flavour of the month, for owners that have a stated model of buying at the lowest price and selling the asset at the peak value of them, question to yuo, when is Silva at his 'peak value' - if not when he is flavour of the month and we are desperate?

If you need an example of 'why' they didn't offer Silva a longer deal btw, think about this, over the past 5 seasons - and say for example we end up paying 15m for Silva, calculate exactly how much money we have spent on bringing in and paying off in a 5 year spell, just managers

rough calculations - Martinez pay off - circa -10m, koeman payoff - circa -10m, buying Koeman off Saints - circa - 5m, getting Martinez off Wigan - 1.5m - throw in 15m for Silva

then factor in we have been paying big wages - more than are station in the league would dictate for manager srecently - Koeman recieved pretty much 8m in salary for just over a years work, Martinez received 6m for his last two years (after a new contract after season 1) and approx 1.5m for his first season - so 15.5m in salaries paid

So we have already over 5 years sank pretty much 41.5m in paying manager off when sacked or in poaching them off other teams, and to attract or keep them we have paid 15.5m in wages over that 4 and a bit seasons. so 57m in a little over 4 seasons on managers in total.

which is the equivalent of us paying 14m a year in a wage if we had hired initially a manager without compensation and he had succeeded. for the record - Both Guardiola and Mourinho are on approximately 15m a season, and neither cost any compensation to their current clubs...
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I agree with that mate.

I do stand by flavour of the month though, compared to managers like Tuchel, Ancelotti and possibly Simeone. He's a potentially top manager, but a bit behind those guys for me.
 
Watford fan in peace here. I don't think the media etc understand our owners. They are clued up football club owners. With that in mind if Silva resigns they will stick him on gardening leave.
 

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