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Martinez Christmas Poll

Martinez as Manager of Everton

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evertony said:
It is a great post.....and maybe I'm in a minority, but if sacrificing a few of our best players means longer term benefit then that's the price to be paid. Football clubs and their supporters are there for the long term but unfortunately players are transient....in general they have no real connection with the Club. The Club is just their current employer.
However, I also think that the quality players like Stones and Lukaku aren't your stereotypical stupid footballers....both have matured beyond their years footballing wise under Martinez and Evertons tutelage and both have negative stories associated with themselves football-wise. Lukaku was bombed out at a so-called big Club ( allegedly because he missed a penalty) but more realistically because a self proclaimed 'Chosen One' of a manager didn't recognise his talent and ability. Stones could have followed the lure of 'Champions League' football and joined Chelsea....where would it have got him? At a Club in total disarray. Both however decided, or had decided for them, that staying at Everton was best for their personal development, and both have been proved right on that specific point thus far.
The lure of playing in the Champions League is a bit of a myth....it's really the lure of doubling your wages, or delivering a hefty cheque to your agent. In truth, are Arsenal, City or Chelsea likely to progress much in the Champions League regularly when there's teams of the calibre of Barca, Real, Bayern and Athletico in the competition?
Fanciful, and to most unrealistic I know, but I don't concur with the notion that our best players will leave this season-end.
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I hope you are right, unfortunately I don't think you are correct in the longer term. We will probably be able to hold them in the next window but if we finish outside the top 6 we will loose a couple come the summer. Even at sixth we might loose Stones and Lukaku.
 
Caolam said:
I hope you are right, unfortunately I don't think you are correct in the longer term. We will probably be able to hold them in the next window but if we finish outside the top 6 we will loose a couple come the summer. Even at sixth we might loose Stones and Lukaku.
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To be honest I think we're a keeper and a creative midfield player away from being a top 4 or 5 side and I don't think they have to be bank-breakers. consistency will come with the youngsters getting experience for the rest of this season. The Europa experience was vital last year and two pressure games coming up against City will be similarly worthwhile. I've been watching Everton well over 40 years and I just have a good feeling that Roberto, if given reasonable time, is building something a little bit special. I understand the sceptics, but football is a hugely complex business these days underpinned by excessive funding from overseas investors and massive broadcasting revenues....a big part of me wants us, and a few others, to have a right good go at challenging by building a proper squad with a clear plan rather than wholesale changes every time there's a run of 3-4 bad results or spending billions on more transient players. Bit of a romantic I guess but that's what I'd love...Everton out-footballing the oligarchs and oil barons from Saudi to Siberia.
 

evertony said:
It is a great post.....and maybe I'm in a minority, but if sacrificing a few of our best players means longer term benefit then that's the price to be paid. Football clubs and their supporters are there for the long term but unfortunately players are transient....in general they have no real connection with the Club. The Club is just their current employer.
However, I also think that the quality players like Stones and Lukaku aren't your stereotypical stupid footballers....both have matured beyond their years footballing wise under Martinez and Evertons tutelage and both have negative stories associated with themselves football-wise. Lukaku was bombed out at a so-called big Club ( allegedly because he missed a penalty) but more realistically because a self proclaimed 'Chosen One' of a manager didn't recognise his talent and ability. Stones could have followed the lure of 'Champions League' football and joined Chelsea....where would it have got him? At a Club in total disarray. Both however decided, or had decided for them, that staying at Everton was best for their personal development, and both have been proved right on that specific point thus far.
The lure of playing in the Champions League is a bit of a myth....it's really the lure of doubling your wages, or delivering a hefty cheque to your agent. In truth, are Arsenal, City or Chelsea likely to progress much in the Champions League regularly when there's teams of the calibre of Barca, Real, Bayern and Athletico in the competition?
Fanciful, and to most unrealistic I know, but I don't concur with the notion that our best players will leave this season-end.
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I think a lot of what you say holds true. Definitely there will be a loyalty and an appreciation of Martinez and the space he gives young players to excel. I can't think of many managers who would encourage Stones to slalom his way out of defence.

I also agree the lure of the CL is overstated. It was at a time when they were likely to win it and that is no longer the case. Increasingly England teams have been dominated by players outside of the top 4 teams so again that's a fillip.

I can't help but think though that wanting to win trophies (alongside doubling of wages) is very significant. If we are 10th we look a long way from challenging for serious honours. Both Stones and Lukaku are clever enough to know they could go and win lots of trophies elsewhere and if we finish 10th I think we will face a real challenge keeping them.

I also agree with you that we shouldn't fear selling players. What Evertondo very well is buy and sell players. I don't think there are many clubs who get value for money like we do. In excess of 100 million would be a very tidy sum for us to re build with. At the back I wouldn't be too concerned. We could get 2 solid centre halves and a top goalkeeper for the same money as Stones.
What worries me more is Lukaku. We will struggle to attract another 20 goal a season striker. These players are priceless. There is also the issue that if a couple of the top players go, others will definitely start to make noises.

We really do have to turn this season round. A second season outside of the top 8 without winning a trophy would intensify a lot of pressure on us.
 
davek said:
Another 'journalist' who reads fan forums and comes up with an echo chamber for them to gain a few hits.
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Probably right but weren't some on here lamenting the fact that the spotlight is never shone our way, in regard to what's actually happening?
 
Cultured right foot said:
Keep him.

We are improving, the football this season is better than it was in his first we're just not getting the results. We miss Jagielka so much.
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