Martinez new Belgium head coach

[anton66]

Pssst....you do know that Camelot didn't actually exist, don't you?

 

[deipnosophist]

the relatively limited exposure I've had to Jason Derulo's music, is no bad thing.

 

[davek]

Well the school of science was at least based on the fact of Everton's style of play being described as 'scientific' way back in 1928. Whereas Camelot is a totally fictitious invention by 13th century French romantic writers who bolted it on to the 5th/6th century legends of a Dark Age King, Arthur.

So one's based on fact, the other's a romantic fiction and very appropriate for your account of Roberto's ill-fated tenure as headmaster of the School of Science. Keep using it!

Not strictly true. Arthurian legend is said to have a basis in fact. Arthur pops up in historical accounts from the Dark Ages and early Middle Ages as a Romano-British warrior who fought Roman or Saxon.

 

[deipnosophist]

Alfred burn't the cakes

 

[BigMick]

Not strictly true. Arthurian legend is said to have a basis in fact. Arthur pops up in historical accounts from the Dark Ages and early Middle Ages as a Romano-British warrior who fought Roman or Saxon.

Exactly - but Camelot was a 13th century figment of French imagination, a romantic embroidering of a tale based on fact. I'm sure Roberto would agree with this, and has probably used it in one of his mind-boggling team talks.

 

[davek]

Alfred burn't the cakes

I liken Koeman to Aethelred the Unready.

 

[davek]

Exactly - but Camelot was a 13th century figment of French imagination, a romantic embroidering of a tale based on fact. I'm sure Roberto would agree with this, and has probably used it in one of his mind-boggling team talks.

There's usually a fair bit of truth in all mythology.....the School of Science included.

 

[deipnosophist]

I liken Koeman to Aethelred the Unready.

with the size of shadow Fatty Koeman casts, it's no wonder his stint at Everton were akin to the dark ages

 

[davek]

with the size of shadow Fatty Koeman casts, it's no wonder his stint at Everton were akin to the dark ages

I'm not sure there's an appropriate British political historical figure to represent Koeman, tbh.

Was there ever one who played golf all day and threw all of his kingdom's wealth into a cesspit?

 

[degsy]

I'm not sure there's an appropriate British political historical figure to represent Koeman, tbh.

Was there ever one who played golf all day and threw all of his kingdom's wealth into a cesspit?

The duke of Windsor?

 

[davek]

The duke of Windsor?

The Grand Old Duke of York more like it.

 

[Saint Domingo]

So there's barely a single Martinez player on the books but the whole club from juniors to first team is still playing the Martinez way? It is to laugh. Although we are still defending setpieces like [Poor language removed], so I suppose some remnants of a legacy do persist to this day.
That's the whole tragedy of his successful first season, that it led to absolutely nothing - it was a blip. If it had laid down something tangible in terms of young players, or a way of playing, or something innovative in scouting etc then that would indeed be something. But nothing like that exists, Bobby the friendly ghost has vanished, with only the club accounts bearing witness to his passing.

Bit pathetic to hear the Moyes hoofed it long for a decade canard, tbh. Type of thing you hear people say in London who get their football opinions from the internet. Possibly you didn't have the opportunity to watch us for all of that time, but Moyes cut his cloth accordingly. When we had footballers he played football, when we didn't, he didn't. He was defensively-minded, and hardly what you'd call a progressive coach on the pitch, but he let his players play. Moyes' flaws had nothing to do with some bogus long-ball philosophy that never existed.

Moyes’ best teams played far better football than Martinez’s 13/14 team did regardless of the points total (which lets face it was the result of adding Lukaku to a top 6 squad). The interplay between Baines Pienaar Arteta Cahill Osman Yakubu at times was far more technical and intricate than some of the stuff we saw in 13/14. Needless to say that the football under Martinez 14/15 and 15/16 was some of the worst of our premier league years. There’s a huge myth around the 13/14 season largely created by the win over Arsenal and the 7 game winning streak. I remember there were complaints even at the end of that season at the quality of football as we were scraping our way out of games via direct free kicks, wonder goals, subs off the bench etc. The signs were there that we were not going in the right direction. We lost to Sunderland and Palace both at home two of the worst teams in the league. We got destroyed by Liverpool at Anfield, we were a Seamus Coleman mis hit away from drawing with Cardiff, a Howard penalty save from being downed by Villa. At times we were extremely fortunate that season (e.g winning at Sunderland thanks to an own goal in a game we cleared one off the line and had 3 shots on target). We got caught out in the seasons that followed pure and simple. Moyes’ team between 07-10 was a far better more consistent, technically able, footballing side than anything Martinez created.

 

[COYBL25]

Moyes’ best teams played far better football than Martinez’s 13/14 team did regardless of the points total (which lets face it was the result of adding Lukaku to a top 6 squad). The interplay between Baines Pienaar Arteta Cahill Osman Yakubu at times was far more technical and intricate than some of the stuff we saw in 13/14. Needless to say that the football under Martinez 14/15 and 15/16 was some of the worst of our premier league years. There’s a huge myth around the 13/14 season largely created by the win over Arsenal and the 7 game winning streak. I remember there were complaints even at the end of that season at the quality of football as we were scraping our way out of games via direct free kicks, wonder goals, subs off the bench etc. The signs were there that we were not going in the right direction. We lost to Sunderland and Palace both at home two of the worst teams in the league. We got destroyed by Liverpool at Anfield, we were a Seamus Coleman mis hit away from drawing with Cardiff, a Howard penalty save from being downed by Villa. At times we were extremely fortunate that season (e.g winning at Sunderland thanks to an own goal in a game we cleared one off the line and had 3 shots on target). We got caught out in the seasons that followed pure and simple. Moyes’ team between 07-10 was a far better more consistent, technically able, footballing side than anything Martinez created.

You`re a brave man.

Expect an incoming barrage anytime soon.

Godspeed.

 

[goodisonopheliac]

The duke of Windsor?

Nero?

 

[canuckblue]

Pssst....you do know that Camelot didn't actually exist, don't you?

It's only a model.