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Martinez new Belgium head coach

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Black Belt Jones said:
So there's barely a single Martinez player on the books but the whole club from juniors to first team is still playing the Martinez way? It is to laugh. Although we are still defending setpieces like [Poor language removed], so I suppose some remnants of a legacy do persist to this day.
That's the whole tragedy of his successful first season, that it led to absolutely nothing - it was a blip. If it had laid down something tangible in terms of young players, or a way of playing, or something innovative in scouting etc then that would indeed be something. But nothing like that exists, Bobby the friendly ghost has vanished, with only the club accounts bearing witness to his passing.

Bit pathetic to hear the Moyes hoofed it long for a decade canard, tbh. Type of thing you hear people say in London who get their football opinions from the internet. Possibly you didn't have the opportunity to watch us for all of that time, but Moyes cut his cloth accordingly. When we had footballers he played football, when we didn't, he didn't. He was defensively-minded, and hardly what you'd call a progressive coach on the pitch, but he let his players play. Moyes' flaws had nothing to do with some bogus long-ball philosophy that never existed.
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You raise good points...but you do realise you’re wasting your breath? Disengage while you still have sanity. Tilting at windmills is a mug’s game.
 
Black Belt Jones said:
So there's barely a single Martinez player on the books but the whole club from juniors to first team is still playing the Martinez way? It is to laugh. Although we are still defending setpieces like [Poor language removed], so I suppose some remnants of a legacy do persist to this day.
That's the whole tragedy of his successful first season, that it led to absolutely nothing - it was a blip. If it had laid down something tangible in terms of young players, or a way of playing, or something innovative in scouting etc then that would indeed be something. But nothing like that exists, Bobby the friendly ghost has vanished, with only the club accounts bearing witness to his passing.

Bit pathetic to hear the Moyes hoofed it long for a decade canard, tbh. Type of thing you hear people say in London who get their football opinions from the internet. Possibly you didn't have the opportunity to watch us for all of that time, but Moyes cut his cloth accordingly. When we had footballers he played football, when we didn't, he didn't. He was defensively-minded, and hardly what you'd call a progressive coach on the pitch, but he let his players play. Moyes' flaws had nothing to do with some bogus long-ball philosophy that never existed.
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The fact you didnt see Moyes' muck as a crushing blow for football speaks volumes. We had pretty much one way of getting the ball forward: shuffling the ball to the halfway line and knocking it diagonally and long to the edge of the opposition box and hope Fellaini or Cahill could direct a header down toward a blue shirt.

The Baines-Pienaar partnership was the only distraction to this.

You did well to ignore the overall point though that after Moyes, Koeman and Allardyce the lesson has been learned by fans that only football on the deck is wanted and required and that has a lot to do with the way we were set up especially as an attacking force under Roberto. That's what our support want to see from Silva plus a defensive shape that gives us half a chance of winning games without having to score 3 (which was undoubtedly the case under RM it has to be conceded).

Bottom line: RM broke the headlock that direct football had over the club. I'm sorry if that's an inconvenient truth for you like, but there we have it.
 

deipnosophist said:
This reminds me of when Jim Tombik commented on someone’s having pranged their car: “what happen-ned to you”? he asked in his thick Czech accent. “Yes Jim” came the reply.
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Oh aye I remember that one ha ha, my fav Jim story is about the time he mentioned about how hanging out with sheep more than people sort of like does things to you...
 
Roberto didn't make the final 3 of the FIFA best coach of the year.

Zidane
Deschamps
Dalic

I think they're probably the right three tbf.

Deschamps has to win it, but it just goes to show that only a scabby win over Belgium was the difference between losing his job and becoming crowned world's best manager.
 

davek said:
Martinez record at Belgium:

Wins 21
Draws 5
Losses 2

Goals scored 69
Goals against 19

3.6 goals per game scored.
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How many times they play against some decent teams out of those? About 6 games? It does not hide he is a crap PL manager by trashing Scotland with an elite team.
 
davek said:
72 points

21 wins


We were nowhere near that in the PL before the 2013/14 season and we'll (unfortunately) be nowhere near those figures in the near future.
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But he won 21/22 times in 75 games in the next two seasons. The bubble burst and he’s gone.
 

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