Install the app
How to install the app on iOS

Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.

Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.

  • Participation within this subforum is only available to members who have had 5+ posts approved elsewhere.

Martinez new Belgium head coach

Status
Not open for further replies.
This is Everton 7th place 8th place 4th place, and anyplace that falls short of first for that matter, just doesn't cut it.But was that first season, really that succesful on closer scrutiny?We went out to the mighty Fulham, in the third round of the league cup.We bottled an FA Cup quarterfinal against Arsenal, losing 4-1.We got hammered at Anfield, despite coming into that derby game in good form.After we hammered Arsenal 3-0 at Goodison, we were in the driving seat for a champions league place.But we bottled it, and took only 9 points out of a possible 18 points, in the remaining games.

Martinez was just as mentally weak a manager as Moyes, when it came to the crunch.He never won a derby match, that second leg in Kiev and then bottling a league cup semi final, and FA cup semi final in his final season.If it wasn't for Lukaku, then we would have been in serious trouble, in the league as well.
 
Last edited:
Cork Evertonian said:
This is Everton 7th place 8th place 4th place, and anyplace that falls short of first for that matter, just doesn't cut it.But was that first season, really that succesful on closer scrutiny?We went out to the mighty Fulham, in the third round of the league cup.We bottled an FA Cup quarterfinal against Arsenal, losing 4-1.We got hammered at Anfield, despite coming into that derby game in good form.After we hammered Arsenal 3-0 at Goodison, we were in the driving seat for a champions league place.But we bottled it, and took only 9 points out of a possible 18 points, in the remaining games.

Martinez was just as mentally weak a manager as Moyes, when it came to the crunch.He never won a derby match, that second leg in Kiev and then bottling a league cup semi final, and FA cup semi final in his final season.If it wasn't for Lukaku, then we would have been in serious trouble, in the league as well.
Click to expand...

72 points

21 wins


We were nowhere near that in the PL before the 2013/14 season and we'll (unfortunately) be nowhere near those figures in the near future.
 
Armel said:
He's very good at public relations.

Tonight at the Diamond League in Brussels (well with a bunch of others, including Nafi Thiam etc...)



The day before he was the guest of honour for the opening of a new pitch for a team playing in the second lowest football division in Belgium. Only 6000 people live in that village. Very small football club in a backward corner (https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/0...ale-voetbalclub-herne-bondscoach-martinez-on/). It also included a speech about how football makes you a better person.

6a69dbfc-ac8f-11e8-8e4f-60e3aa44a4c5_original.jpg
Click to expand...


This is one thing that he is genuinely good at. This, and job interviews.
 

davek said:
If it's not 1st to 4th, league placings mean nothing. If we'd finished 5th then 7th and 8th it would have been the same as 5th, 11th and 11th.

I'm not interested in also ran placings like 7th and 8th.
Click to expand...
"I'm not interested in something that doesn't suit my argument"

Basically the way Trump supporters operate. Well in Dave.
 
davek said:
He was here three seasons. Was it a success? No. Was it a failure? No. We played some great stuff and did well in all the competitions we can enter in one of the seasons or other he was here.

That's it.

He did brilliantly well before us, and he's done great at Belgium.

All of that ^^^ is true.

Outside of a handful of bitter defeated Everton fans the whole world of football recognises that truth that Roberto is a very very good coach.
Click to expand...
It was a failure
 
Roberto's failure comes in many different shapes and sizes - shaming Goodison Park in his last season, de-motivating the players, introducing obesity into the squad, winning nothing, fighting tooth and nail for maximum compensation etc etc, but perhaps his finest non-achievement is a complete absence of any legacy whatsoever. 3 years on and it's like he didn't exist at the club, on or off the field. Players, way of playing football, infrastructure, practice, EFC staff - he is the forgotten man.
Only exception I can think of is Mason Holgate who is still here, was a good young signing amongst the skip of dross Roberto imported, and has an outside chance of long-term contribution to Everton.

Glad to contribute to this thread, tbh. As much as Roberto's failure, and manner of failure, antagonised me, I don't think he deserves to be scrubbed from our history - same way as we can't deny Mike Walker managed us. Whatever his flaws, he still stood in the dugout at Goodison Park and did his best.
 
Black Belt Jones said:
Roberto's failure comes in many different shapes and sizes - shaming Goodison Park in his last season, de-motivating the players, introducing obesity into the squad, winning nothing, fighting tooth and nail for maximum compensation etc etc, but perhaps his finest non-achievement is a complete absence of any legacy whatsoever. 3 years on and it's like he didn't exist at the club, on or off the field. Players, way of playing football, infrastructure, practice, EFC staff - he is the forgotten man.
Only exception I can think of is Mason Holgate who is still here, was a good young signing amongst the skip of dross Roberto imported, and has an outside chance of long-term contribution to Everton.

Glad to contribute to this thread, tbh. As much as Roberto's failure, and manner of failure, antagonised me, I don't think he deserves to be scrubbed from our history - same way as we can't deny Mike Walker managed us. Whatever his flaws, he still stood in the dugout at Goodison Park and did his best.
Click to expand...

His short term legacy was to leave a squad full of players who could pass to feet...something that got Koeman out of the bin in his first season here when he had to abandon hoofball when Bolassie was badly injured and missed the second half of the season.

After 11 years of Moyes hoofball (and further back than that, tbf) Everton supporters couldn't stomach Koeman or Allardyce and wanted a team that played to feet like they'd been offered under Martinez. That was Martinez's more lasting long term legacy: to persuade Evertonians to abandon the long ball wrong turn the club had made for well over a decade. That's why Silva was wanted by Everton fans (and if not him some other progressive manager).

There's your legacy now right there in the dugout at Everton.

Oh, and by the way, Roberto restructured the whole club from juniors through to academy to first team in terms of all being on the same page with the style of football required.

RM changed the sought after philosophy at the club: a complete rejection of neanderthal football and the embracing of scientific football again.

He lost a battle but won the war.

Surrender.
 

davek said:
His short term legacy was to leave a squad full of players who could pass to feet...something that got Koeman out of the bin in his first season here when he had to abandon hoofball when Bolassie was badly injured and missed the second half of the season.

After 11 years of Moyes hoofball (and further back than that, tbf) Everton supporters couldn't stomach Koeman or Allardyce and wanted a team that played to feet like they'd been offered under Martinez. That was Martinez's more lasting long term legacy: to persuade Evertonians to abandon the long ball wrong turn the club had made for well over a decade. That's why Silva was wanted by Everton fans (and if not him some other progressive manager).

There's your legacy now right there in the dugout at Everton.

Oh, and by the way, Roberto restructured the whole club from juniors through to academy to first team in terms of all being on the same page with the style of football required.

RM changed the sought after philosophy at the club: a complete rejection of neanderthal football and the embracing of scientific football again.

He lost a battle but won the war.

Surrender.
Click to expand...
So there's barely a single Martinez player on the books but the whole club from juniors to first team is still playing the Martinez way? It is to laugh. Although we are still defending setpieces like [Poor language removed], so I suppose some remnants of a legacy do persist to this day.
That's the whole tragedy of his successful first season, that it led to absolutely nothing - it was a blip. If it had laid down something tangible in terms of young players, or a way of playing, or something innovative in scouting etc then that would indeed be something. But nothing like that exists, Bobby the friendly ghost has vanished, with only the club accounts bearing witness to his passing.

Bit pathetic to hear the Moyes hoofed it long for a decade canard, tbh. Type of thing you hear people say in London who get their football opinions from the internet. Possibly you didn't have the opportunity to watch us for all of that time, but Moyes cut his cloth accordingly. When we had footballers he played football, when we didn't, he didn't. He was defensively-minded, and hardly what you'd call a progressive coach on the pitch, but he let his players play. Moyes' flaws had nothing to do with some bogus long-ball philosophy that never existed.
 
Black Belt Jones said:
So there's barely a single Martinez player on the books but the whole club from juniors to first team is still playing the Martinez way? It is to laugh. Although we are still defending setpieces like [Poor language removed], so I suppose some remnants of a legacy do persist to this day.
That's the whole tragedy of his successful first season, that it led to absolutely nothing - it was a blip. If it had laid down something tangible in terms of young players, or a way of playing, or something innovative in scouting etc then that would indeed be something. But nothing like that exists, Bobby the friendly ghost has vanished, with only the club accounts bearing witness to his passing.

Bit pathetic to hear the Moyes hoofed it long for a decade canard, tbh. Type of thing you hear people say in London who get their football opinions from the internet. Possibly you didn't have the opportunity to watch us for all of that time, but Moyes cut his cloth accordingly. When we had footballers he played football, when we didn't, he didn't. He was defensively-minded, and hardly what you'd call a progressive coach on the pitch, but he let his players play. Moyes' flaws had nothing to do with some bogus long-ball philosophy that never existed.
Click to expand...

Give up whilst you still can, he`ll grind you down until there`s nothing left to grind down.

Moyes > Bad
Koeman > Bad.

Bobby > Good.

He now has his own Wiki page as the founder member of the " Cult of the Robertonians " :hayee:
 
Last edited:

Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome

Join Grand Old Team to get involved in the Everton discussion. Signing up is quick, easy, and completely free.

Register
Back
Top