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Martinez new Belgium head coach

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TheBigIguana said:
To say we need a manager who can maybe get us into the CL is failing to shoot high enough. Every move we should make should be with the end goal of finishing first not finishing 6th than 4th than 1st. Obviously there will he a progression but the key is not saying our goal is to get CL without adding that once we are in we want to make it again and again until we are competing to win it. And a manager who gets us 5th 11th 11th and loses semi finals isnt going to be good enough in less we are happy to continue making up the numbers.

That's the difference with Spurs. They've been unyielding in their desire to win every match and not settle for pretty much every day since Poch arrived. Honestly the RS have been the same under Klopp and the same with City under Guardiola. Looking back at Martinez like some savior because of one admittedly incredible season is how we continue to be best of the rest and all those other insults lobbed our way.
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That's just sophistry, and in a round about way merely reiterating that we have to have a steady progression.
 
BigMick said:
I'd liken him more to Devon Malcolm: has a big yahoo that usually results in his middle stump cartwheeling down the ground, but just occasionally smacks one out of the park.
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I just have a vague recollection of Pocock playing a series for England where he scored a bunch of ducks or was 0 not out at the end of matches and when he eventually scored a run, the crowd went wild!
 

davek said:
That's just sophistry, and in a round about way merely reiterating that we have to have a steady progression.
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Which goes back to my original point that Roberto isn't that despite being the only manager we've had who got close in awhile. Every manager since Royle has been poor with Silva as a TBD. Martinez to me is the most comedic failure of them all because he keeps luring people in before failing spectacularly over and over.
 
TheBigIguana said:
Which goes back to my original point that Roberto isn't that despite being the only manager we've had who got close in awhile. Every manager since Royle has been poor with Silva as a TBD. Martinez to me is the most comedic failure of them all because he keeps luring people in before failing spectacularly over and over.
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...such as?
 
TheBigIguana said:
Which goes back to my original point that Roberto isn't that despite being the only manager we've had who got close in awhile. Every manager since Royle has been poor with Silva as a TBD. Martinez to me is the most comedic failure of them all because he keeps luring people in before failing spectacularly over and over.
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He was really playing the long game getting all the way to the semis in the World Cup just to drop the Belgian public's pants with a spectacular fail.
 
Yarrgh said:
He was really playing the long game getting all the way to the semis in the World Cup just to drop the Belgian public's pants with a spectacular fail.
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Tbf they were even luckier than England in that tournament. But think about our cup runs. He totally does City and Chelsea only to make a complete mess of the second leg and the United match. It's his nature.
 
davek said:
...such as?
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Everton FA Cup: Thrashes Chelsea to get to Wembley only to totally waste the first half and lose to a beatable United side.
Everton League Cup: wins first leg and goes ahead in the second only to fail to shut up shop and lose.
Everton Europa League: Wins home first leg then concedes 5 away to blow any chance at a European quarterfinal.
Everton in the League: finishes 5th and within range of CL only to never come closer to the CL than relegation ever again.
World Cup: Knocks out Brazil only to barely create a chance against France in a straightforward defeat.
Nations League: Needs to not concede 4 to get to a semifinal. Concedes 5.
Specialist in false hope and epic collapses is what Roberto is.
 

TheBigIguana said:
Everton FA Cup: Thrashes Chelsea to get to Wembley only to totally waste the first half and lose to a beatable United side.
Everton League Cup: wins first leg and goes ahead in the second only to fail to shut up shop and lose.
Everton Europa League: Wins home first leg then concedes 5 away to blow any chance at a European quarterfinal.
Everton in the League: finishes 5th and within range of CL only to never come closer to the CL than relegation ever again.
World Cup: Knocks out Brazil only to barely create a chance against France in a straightforward defeat.
Nations League: Needs to not concede 4 to get to a semifinal. Concedes 5.
Specialist in false hope and epic collapses is what Roberto is.
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...all of those 'failures' were games Everton/Belgium made it to which had them within touching distance of success. Hopefully Silva gets us to those type of important games and goes one better.
 
davek said:
...all of those 'failures' were games Everton/Belgium made it to which had them within touching distance of success. Hopefully Silva gets us to those type of important games and goes one better.
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Going one better than all those "feats" still results in winning nothing, though...
 
PM123 said:
Going one better than all those "feats" still results in winning nothing, though...
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I agree. But Rome wasn't built in a day.

Back to the original point: if we want to reach the objective you want us to we have to get better season on season. So, the quicker someone comes in and surpasses our record points total for a season the quicker we get that journey started.
 
davek said:
...all of those 'failures' were games Everton/Belgium made it to which had them within touching distance of success. Hopefully Silva gets us to those type of important games and goes one better.
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Moyes got us to a cup final and semi finals.

Moyes turned us from regular bottom half finishers to the best of the rest with 1 x 4th place, 3 x 5th place and regular top 7 finishes.

All of these things had us within “touching distance” as you put it, within a very tight budget, yet you belittle his achievements yet froth over Martinez’s.

Can you see how your opinions cause confusion?
 
davek said:
I agree. But Rome wasn't built in a day.

Back to the original point: if we want to reach the objective you want us to we have to get better season on season. So, the quicker someone comes in and surpasses our record points total for a season the quicker we get that journey started.
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Unfortunately for boberto and us he built Rome out of chocolate and it all came crashing down in the summer of 2015

It did look phenomenal though, right before it went tits up
 

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