2020/21 Mason Holgate

[Joey66]

Maybe young Mason ought to stop taking them then because they're obviously having an adverse affect of him.

I blame @COYBL25 lol

 

[COYBL25]

I blame @COYBL25 lol

Nothing to do with me officer.

 

[messymascot]

He’s not commanded a place at CB over these last few years. Keane has. Mina and Godfrey have made stronger claims than Holgate. He needs to have a sit on the bench and have a think why he’s there.

To be fair before he picked up his injuries during the * period he was first choice and Keane was his partner. I think he's only had 3 games at CB since. His problem came because neither Keane or Mina can play at RB and initially Godfrey was playing LB and he has now played well in the middle. 5 games in this season everyone was whingeing about Mina. However in the wall as it was called he thrived. Intersting to see how Mina will get on with Coleman alongside him last time it happened we lost 2-0 to Newcastle.

 

[messymascot]

Just not even close to being a right back, can't cross, can't turn quickly when opposing winger runs at and past him ( at which point he invariably just gives up ), gives stupid free kicks away and regularly booked for tackles in which he flies in ( almost certainly will be getting a red card soon). Is he a good enough centre half? Not sure on that front either. But what an awful decision by Ancellotti and Brands to let Kenny go out on loan. Possibly threw away Europe with that one as let's face it the right side of the team is a broken shambles.

The problem was with Kenny is Coleman isn't good enough to be a first choice RB and Kenny is even less suited to being first choice. The mistake was not buying a RB in the summer.

 

[MACCA75]

To be fair before he picked up his injuries during the * period he was first choice and Keane was his partner. I think he's only had 3 games at CB since. His problem came because neither Keane or Mina can play at RB and initially Godfrey was playing LB and he has now played well in the middle. 5 games in this season everyone was whingeing about Mina. However in the wall as it was called he thrived. Intersting to see how Mina will get on with Coleman alongside him last time it happened we lost 2-0 to Newcastle.

And the last time Holgate was CB and Coleman right back, we lost 2-0 to Fulham?

Personally would play Mina CB and Godfrey RB and that gives us an attacking threat from set pieces too.

 

[messymascot]

And the last time Holgate was CB and Coleman right back, we lost 2-0 to Fulham?

Personally would play Mina CB and Godfrey RB and that gives us an attacking threat from set pieces too.

I agree with that. However I feel Holgate is bring harshly criticised. Coleman is the common denominator. He did have a good game against the RS when oddly Coleman played RW in front of him. We will need 4 CBs next year and I'm happy to rotate them to keep them fresh. If everyone is fit I would put Holgate on the bench against City. Not because he needs shown the error of his way but because it tactically suits.

 

[kenada_blue]

And the last time Holgate was CB and Coleman right back, we lost 2-0 to Fulham?

Personally would play Mina CB and Godfrey RB and that gives us an attacking threat from set pieces too.

Thing is...Godfrey was horrific at RB and Mason is more comfortable there.

 

[messymascot]

Thing is...Godfrey was horrific at RB and Mason is more comfortable there.

Godfrey only played one full game at RB he was new and the whole team was poor. The only other time he played there was about 65 minutes and he did ok. Now he is settled he might be better. His crossing can't be any worse. He also gets the ball up the field quickly when he runs with it.

 

[MACCA75]

Thing is...Godfrey was horrific at RB and Mason is more comfortable there.

Godfrey did ok at left back and it would defy logic that he wouldn’t be ok at right back (should be better tbh) if he played a few games there.

 

[RomanReigns]

unpopular opinion but i don't rate him and i don't see him having a long-term future at this club.

he's far too lackadaisical, his passing is piss poor, when he plays in the full back role he would rather defend than make runs down the wing which allows the opposition to push forward more, he gives away silly fouls in dangerous places.

am i surpised to see us linked with more central defenders in the summer

not really

 

[kenada_blue]

Godfrey did ok at left back and it would defy logic that he wouldn’t be ok at right back (should be better tbh) if he played a few games there.

Defensively yes same as Holgate for the most part. He's been poor the last couple of games mainly due to not providing anything going forward (Burnley) or being completely hammered by overloading wide players (Chelsea). The previous games he's been solid.

For the most part you could say Godfrey would do exactly the same as Holgate as RB. There's no real difference in the two bar pace.

 

[kenada_blue]

Godfrey only played one full game at RB he was new and the whole team was poor. The only other time he played there was about 65 minutes and he did ok. Now he is settled he might be better. His crossing can't be any worse. He also gets the ball up the field quickly when he runs with it.

As mentioned in the other post...there would be no real difference in the two even given a run of games.

Based on him as a LB....Provide very little going forward, good defensively.

It's still square legs round holes.

 

[DanEFC92]

Been pants for ages.

 

[messymascot]

As mentioned in the other post...there would be no real difference in the two even given a run of games.

Based on him as a LB....Provide very little going forward, good defensively.

It's still square legs round holes.

I'm just thinking with Mina back alongside Keane it frees Godfrey up. I agree he isn't the answer but Coleman and Holgate have both had chances. Even if he's just a slight improvement it could make the difference. He offered nothing going forward at LB because full backs usually go outside so he would have been crossing on his weak foot. At Right Back if he goes outside he will be on his natural foot. Doesn't guarantee a good cross but it improves the chances.

 

[kenada_blue]

unpopular opinion but i don't rate him and i don't see him having a long-term future at this club.

he's far too lackadaisical, his passing is piss poor, when he plays in the full back role he would rather defend than make runs down the wing which allows the opposition to push forward more, he gives away silly fouls in dangerous places.

am i surpised to see us linked with more central defenders in the summer

not really

That contract says he's not going anywhere for a while