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Meghan Markle (Duchess of Sussex)

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I rail against the current media obsession that everything about women is incessantly positive and they never do anything wrong,
Laughing here that so many people are thinking she's so lovely, when all she has demonstrated is an ability to be a manipulative and self serving gold digger - even to the extent of breaking a family apart. She, like Diana before her clearly didn't do due diligence into what she was getting into - but that, it seems, is somebod else's fault.
I'm really not arsed. I've just formed a quick opinion from the wall of news output that I've not managed to avoid.

I really wish our media was more full of ideas, science, engineering and medicine than it is with events and people.

There's a certain irony that the incessantly female positive media has managed to give you the opinion that a woman you've never met and don't know is a manipulative self serving gold-digger.

As a reasonable man who values education, science, engineering, medicine and no doubt logical constructive thinking do you not think it odd to be have to such a strong opinion of someone you're not arsed about formed on the half snippets of character assassination pieces that you've tried to avoid? Especially coming from the hypocritical right wing element of a media that is clearly at odds with your particular ideals.
 
There's a certain irony that the incessantly female positive media has managed to give you the opinion that a woman you've never met and don't know is a manipulative self serving gold-digger.

As a reasonable man who values education, science, engineering, medicine and no doubt logical constructive thinking do you not think it odd to be have to such a strong opinion of someone you're not arsed about formed on the half snippets of character assassination pieces that you've tried to avoid? Especially coming from the hypocritical right wing element of a media that is clearly at odds with your particular ideals.
Now this, Mr Claus, is a well considered point that is well put and sounds a reasonable argument. Allow me to flesh out one or two points to put my view into perspective:

First - my only source of news in the past 10 years or so is the BBC app - which I see as being only slightly right of centre, compared with the billionaire owned rags that normally stir up rabid hatred of some poor sod to distract the plebs from the important stuff they should be noticing. The BBC has outlined (in as factual and unbiased was as is possible while a tory government threatens to cut its funding if they aren't pro-establishmrnt) that she wanted to leave the UK to avoid the glare of the media. My initial impressions and doubts were that I sympathised as undoubtedly her husband was well aware of the damage those greedy pro-government billionaires could do in chasing a scoop. But then I wondered - she must have known all this before she went ahead with a very public and very expressive fairy tale wedding- so my doubts as to her character were sown, not by the vitriol in the red tops, but, as I always do, in questioning motives.

I never read the red tops or any other newspaper, but I'm not being andvi catch their ridiculous, hyperbolic and misleading headlines. Their content means zero to me, it has never been a part of forming my opinion.

I expected that after all the fuss about moving to the US or Canada or wherever she went to seek a quiet life away from royalty that if her motive was genuine then we would never hear from them again. Harry, after all, is doubtfully related to Charles Windsor if the photos comparing him with Diana's "special confident" and possible real father, are to he taken seriously. I'm ambivalent about royalty, have no bias and no axe to grind - but I like to observe occasionally.

But then the BBC talks factually about all the special interviews the woman sold to media companies in the US. This was distasteful and hypocritical when juxtaposed with her cover story of getting away from the limelight. I would naturally distrust and dislike anybody so dishonest and greedy - plus then you can add to it the absolute distaste for anybody washing their dirty linen in public. I would say exactly the same whether the person doing this were black, white male, female or any other new gender. It is the factually reported acts and plausible the motivations that lead me to have an opinion on MM.

And its true I know very little of her - I don't generally talk about people or have much interest in them, I have doughty more interest in events and reserve most of my interest for ideas and humour. Its also true that I'm very happy to he corrected with a well reasoned argument, by somebody who knows about her, to say I have misjudged her. But you know what? I'm not vehemently pro or against the woman- the thread asked an opinion and I casually gave mine. Its not even anything more than a passing opinion. For some on the internet though it seems that expressing that opinion puts me in the same box as someone who is in to strapping kittens onto a crucifix and burning it on somebody's front lawn.
 
She seems to draw a lot of strong opinions from people.

I've not followed her career closely. I've never watched any of the programmes/films she's been in.

My awareness of her has been since she became involved with the monarchy in the UK. And I don't follow their lives closely.

I struggle to understand why people have strong opinions about her and why she draws so much ire.

What are people's opinions?
Any pictures mate?
 


I have never really though anything bad about her at all despite British media trying to tell everyone she is a horror.

That said seeing Serena Williams basically throw massive shade at her and deny they are friends (claiming they barely know each other) after Markle talked about what good buddies they were makes me think she has a few issues and is perhaps a little fame hungry.

Who really cares though, im not arsed in the slightest if someone wants to take advantage of the royal family to further their own career.
 
I know you're just having a cheeky jab but I'm really not. I rail against the current media obsession that everything about women is incessantly positive and they never do anything wrong, I rail against the current media obsession that men are mainly portrayed as inept, stupid or evil. I am irritated that most tv and radio output seems to be aimed at women.

When it comes to my views to a human being through direct contact I always treat them based on who they are and what they do or say. Race and gender is absolutely irrelevant in this. I'm fairly sure that if I sat down and thought about it, I'm pretty sure I'd dislike* 95% of men equally to the 95% of women i dislike*, so I'd call that a balance.

*or avoid for being tediously boring
With all due respect Chris, it is not up to yourself to decide whether you are free of exhibiting discriminatory traits. It is up to all of us guys to constantly check and consider our behaviour and this should be an ongoing process.
 
Now this, Mr Claus, is a well considered point that is well put and sounds a reasonable argument. Allow me to flesh out one or two points to put my view into perspective:

First - my only source of news in the past 10 years or so is the BBC app - which I see as being only slightly right of centre, compared with the billionaire owned rags that normally stir up rabid hatred of some poor sod to distract the plebs from the important stuff they should be noticing. The BBC has outlined (in as factual and unbiased was as is possible while a tory government threatens to cut its funding if they aren't pro-establishmrnt) that she wanted to leave the UK to avoid the glare of the media. My initial impressions and doubts were that I sympathised as undoubtedly her husband was well aware of the damage those greedy pro-government billionaires could do in chasing a scoop. But then I wondered - she must have known all this before she went ahead with a very public and very expressive fairy tale wedding- so my doubts as to her character were sown, not by the vitriol in the red tops, but, as I always do, in questioning motives.

I never read the red tops or any other newspaper, but I'm not being andvi catch their ridiculous, hyperbolic and misleading headlines. Their content means zero to me, it has never been a part of forming my opinion.

I expected that after all the fuss about moving to the US or Canada or wherever she went to seek a quiet life away from royalty that if her motive was genuine then we would never hear from them again. Harry, after all, is doubtfully related to Charles Windsor if the photos comparing him with Diana's "special confident" and possible real father, are to he taken seriously. I'm ambivalent about royalty, have no bias and no axe to grind - but I like to observe occasionally.

But then the BBC talks factually about all the special interviews the woman sold to media companies in the US. This was distasteful and hypocritical when juxtaposed with her cover story of getting away from the limelight. I would naturally distrust and dislike anybody so dishonest and greedy - plus then you can add to it the absolute distaste for anybody washing their dirty linen in public. I would say exactly the same whether the person doing this were black, white male, female or any other new gender. It is the factually reported acts and plausible the motivations that lead me to have an opinion on MM.

And its true I know very little of her - I don't generally talk about people or have much interest in them, I have doughty more interest in events and reserve most of my interest for ideas and humour. Its also true that I'm very happy to he corrected with a well reasoned argument, by somebody who knows about her, to say I have misjudged her. But you know what? I'm not vehemently pro or against the woman- the thread asked an opinion and I casually gave mine. Its not even anything more than a passing opinion. For some on the internet though it seems that expressing that opinion puts me in the same box as someone who is in to strapping kittens onto a crucifix and burning it on somebody's front lawn.
That's definitely fleshed it out ;)

A potential counterpoint is that her marriage was always going to be of huge interest and the couple may well have been advised or pressured into a very public and expressive fairytale wedding. As someone who was already getting plenty of negative press it may have been considered a poor choice to keep that particular event private or low key - damned if they do, damned if they don't scenario. You can imagine the reaction had they not made a spectacle of their nuptials for the patriotic taxpaying Great British Public™

On the face of it I also have a distaste for washing dirty linen in public but I do have a degree of sympathy for people in that particular position. Going from recognised off TV in America to the level that she did is quite an escalation and regardless of knowing before hand I doubt it's a degree of scrutiny and pressure that can be truly understood until someone is in it. For all the talk of her motivations there could possibly have been a degree of naivety - maybe even judgement clouded by the fairytale of falling in love with a bona-fide legitimate Prince. And then a further naivety thinking things would cool off once she'd been seen to wrench poor little Harry from his families loving embrace and over the pond.

And under that scrutiny there's maybe a chance that something snaps and you feel the need to answer back. You only need to look at this site and see how some people will obsessively only see negatives in the media about Everton to the point they feel legitimately persecuted and see conspiracy everywhere. There can be 10 positive stories and they'll obsess over an ambivalent story and spin it into a vicious attack orchestrated by the entire media. If people can do that over a football team then what's it like when the world's media is constantly throwing some very negative stuff at you directly as a person - in time you might succumb to the need to express your side of the story. I'd like to think I'd be above it all but I honestly don't think a person can have that degree of scrutiny and not have something misfire in their head.

But then I haven't got a clue either. In fact I've probably read less about it than you and you may very well be entirely correct.
 
With all due respect Chris, it is not up to yourself to decide whether you are free of exhibiting discriminatory traits. It is up to all of us guys to constantly check and consider our behaviour and this should be an ongoing process.
I only ever discriminate on the grounds of choices that people make for themselves. Other things can't be helped and shouldn't be a foundation for discrimination - where one is born, one's gender, one's wealth etc. ...its what one chooses to do that brings my opinion.

And... as if the loveable balloons on here are really fit to judge anyone else! lol
 

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