Moshiri v Kenwright. Is There a Split At the Top?

[MikeH72]

He needs to clear them out and replace them with genuine football people with a track record of results....
Remove the emotional bias and let that grow organically..

The time for that was 7 years ago, it’s much too late now.

 

[Billy Dean]

It isn't a stretch to think Moshiri had the fingers pointed at him for prior sackings, some signings and the whole Benitez saga as a reason the club hasn't moved forward. Perhaps he gave his word he wouldn't interfere with the running of the club to see if that did turn things around.

….that thought had crossed my mind. He’s agreed to keep away from appointments since the Benitez debacle, hence ‘it’s not up to me’ to sack Lampard.

This was my first thought when he made that comment. There was stuff in the papers this time last year that Moshiri had agreed to stay out of football decisions following the Benitez debacle.

 

[Khalekan]

It isn't a stretch to think Moshiri had the fingers pointed at him for prior sackings, some signings and the whole Benitez saga as a reason the club hasn't moved forward. Perhaps he gave his word he wouldn't interfere with the running of the club to see if that did turn things around.

Indeed.

Whatever else we might think about Bill and Sharpie, it is inconceivable that they were in favour of Benitez being appointed.

That has to have been 100% Moshiri’s decision…with Kia Joorachin whispering in his ear most probably.

 

[sparkslad1]

I think, speculate, that given the performance of the entire club and the extra pressure our history brings with it that it's inconceivable that any harmony exists. Their could be personal loyalty from DBB and Sharp to Kenwright as he projects "caring" better than Moshiri - who, let's not forget - hamstrung and then torpedoed any chance at us rallying together as a club to face this latest relegation catastrophe.

It would also be a factor that DBB, Sharp and Kenwright are in the proximity to each other, and, until last week were at least working out of Goodison Park with Moshiri absent. This would allow them to create a sense of exemption from the situation as each would allow the other to cast Moshiri as the dominant factor in the situation. I think the one thing they could all agree on is that Moshiri has acted unilaterally at times over transfers, managerial appointments - Benitez the obvious and odious example - and communication from the club to the fans.

I think it's not outright conflict, but resentment and blame being apportioned by both sides against the other. I think of it as an unhappy marriage, they are trapped in Moshiri and Kenwright, with the kids, DBB and Sharp taking the latter's side.

Leadership should be about managing expectations - above and below - communication, delegation and trust. I think the roles are badly defined, I think Moshiri's often bizarre and sudden, unilateral decisions are devastating for the collective board ethos. The communication, again, taken without the board's knowledge has been self-pitying, seeking to shift blame and undermining any residual loyalty.

I think Moshiri is an easy man to dislike. I think he would be impossible to work for. I think the other three should have resigned months ago and got out with some scraps of self respect. Sharp especially.

But, as a short answer, the football team on the pitch reflect the situation in the boardroom - always. Always. For this alone you can be certain the board isn't functioning. There is a lot of blame and resentment there.

I think you are missing the era “blue bill” has been in charge and has destroyed this club from the day he back stabbed the Greggs after conning them. He and he alone is fully responsible for our club spiralling out of control. He found a mug in Moshiri to let him keep the train set and this is the price we fans have had to pay. Mansour (?) saw through the idiot and walked.

 

[Eggs]

….it’s all guesswork but I wonder if @The binman chronicles @Billy Dean & @Khalekan have hit on something here, suggesting the Benitez debacle is playing out here.

The club was already in a mess but has spiralled downwards since Benitez. It wasn’t just his failure as a coach, he caused great conflict throughout the club with his actions.

I have always suspected Brands in particular gets a bad deal. I get the criticism (that he probably acquired the likes of Klaassen) but I wonder if he at least had the diplomacy to keep things together. He was appointed to the Board, he worked with managers, not against them until Benitez refused to even pick up the phone to him.

As others have hinted, that massive mistake might have forced Moshiri into agreeing to not interfere with major appointments again. i wonder where Thelwell fits in this theory.

 

[Bohemian Toffee]

I think you are missing the era “blue bill” has been in charge and has destroyed this club from the day he back stabbed the Greggs after conning them. He and he alone is fully responsible for our club spiralling out of control. He found a mug in Moshiri to let him keep the train set and this is the price we fans have had to pay. Mansour (?) saw through the idiot and walked.

The question was the relationship between the current board.

I have nothing but utter contempt for "blue Bill" and the lies, schemes and outright deception he has pulled since his association with executive leadership of our club. Moshiri is a front for other, somehow even more despicable individuals - they all led each other along, and the sooner the lot of them are gone the better.

The stuff that happens on the pitch leaves me empty, thinking about the charlatans at the top drives me to distraction.

 

[summerisle]

Moshiri has the power to remove Kenwright if he’s a disruptive force.

Moshiri as He Man ; that's an image I definitely don't want to see.

 

[MACCA75]

Probably the worst element of the Moshiri era is his handling of the board. Not only allowing Kenwright to stay as chairman, but allowing the lazy internal appointments that occur at every level of the club.

Elstone, DBB, Sharp.. none have any business at a Premier league football club.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Moshiri has the power to remove Kenwright if he’s a disruptive force.

With extreme prejudice I hope!

 

[Milk]

I have often wondered if there is harmony at the top of our club or different factions who work against each other.

It appears Kenwright has DBB & Sharp in his camp but are they on the same page as Moshiri or is one faction in conflict with the other?

Sharp has defended DBB, suggesting she’s working tirelessly for the good of the club. Does this mean the Kenwright camp feel they are hamstrung by Moshiri & he’s the reason the club is in a mess? Moshiri says ‘it’s not up to him’ to sack Lampard, so does this mean the Club’s Governance is managed by the Board & he’s merely the paymaster?

I need help understanding the dynamic at the top of the club. is there harmony between Moshiri and Kenwright or is their conflict at the centre of our problems?

I honestly don’t know the answers to the questions I pose, I have no idea who does what, whether they are at war or all part of the same cosy group.

Look to Chelsea under Abramovich and how they were run.
He was very much in charge of hiring and firing managers. Buck was merely someone tasked with running the agenda at board meetings in lieu of a largely absentee owner .. who was also savvy enough to have “football people” and business people on the board to provide guidance and day to day running

Everton? Not so much

 

[billyblue80]

Probably they didn't sit together yesterday. Would you be happy with a board that royally screws up

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

A split?
Leave her alone ffs.......

 

[Jebus_lives]

….it’s all guesswork but I wonder if @The binman chronicles @Billy Dean & @Khalekan have hit on something here, suggesting the Benitez debacle is playing out here.

The club was already in a mess but has spiralled downwards since Benitez. It wasn’t just his failure as a coach, he caused great conflict throughout the club with his actions.

I have always suspected Brands in particular gets a bad deal. I get the criticism (that he probably acquired the likes of Klaassen) but I wonder if he at least had the diplomacy to keep things together. He was appointed to the Board, he worked with managers, not against them until Benitez refused to even pick up the phone to him.

As others have hinted, that massive mistake might have forced Moshiri into agreeing to not interfere with major appointments again. i wonder where Thelwell fits in this theory.

I think this might be right. The problem becomes who has responsibility in hiring a replacement?

There were clearly dissenting voices regarding the Benitez and Lampard appointments. It seems we have a board pulling in multiple directions.

 

[degsy]

I have often wondered if there is harmony at the top of our club or different factions who work against each other.

It appears Kenwright has DBB & Sharp in his camp but are they on the same page as Moshiri or is one faction in conflict with the other?

Sharp has defended DBB, suggesting she’s working tirelessly for the good of the club. Does this mean the Kenwright camp feel they are hamstrung by Moshiri & he’s the reason the club is in a mess? Moshiri says ‘it’s not up to him’ to sack Lampard, so does this mean the Club’s Governance is managed by the Board & he’s merely the paymaster?

I need help understanding the dynamic at the top of the club. is there harmony between Moshiri and Kenwright or is their conflict at the centre of our problems?

I honestly don’t know the answers to the questions I pose, I have no idea who does what, whether they are at war or all part of the same cosy group.

Not a 'split' as such.
It was somebody's idea to hire Benitez, was it Usmanov? Moshiri? or did somebody just whisper in an ear?
The theory is even Kenwright knew it would not go down well - and said so.
When it all ended in the tears we knew it would, I think...allegedly, an essence of 'I told you so' may have been in the air and again...allegedly, a corresponding essence of...'OK Mr smart arse, you're so clever, I've got enough to do, you pick the next one.'

Hence Moshiri's comment about (as he didn't hire him) how he couldn't sack him.

Kenwright is the designated survivor, the last man standing...and I'm not sure if he's too metaphorically bothered either way about going down with the ship, just as long as he's still on the bridge.

(I said a couple of years ago that the Stadium would hit £650+Mill and if it  Did all turn to custard that the debts would not be in the column marked 'F. Moshiri' but would all end up in the column marked.
Everton Football Club & Co. Ltd.)

 

[sparkslad1]

The question was the relationship between the current board.

I have nothing but utter contempt for "blue Bill" and the lies, schemes and outright deception he has pulled since his association with executive leadership of our club. Moshiri is a front for other, somehow even more despicable individuals - they all led each other along, and the sooner the lot of them are gone the better.

The stuff that happens on the pitch leaves me empty, thinking about the charlatans at the top drives me to distraction.

The only answer that MAY have an impact and one that is near impossible is for us fans to stay away but unfortunately the near 40k who go bleed blue blood but hearts are broken ?