Moyes as interim manager

[JobForTheMoyes]

Let’s be honest though do you think Alex Ferguson would of left if he thought he could win the league with that team? Not daft him he got out as he knew they were going to pot well that’s my opinion on that anyway.

I’m by no means wanting Moyes to come back he shouldn't be within 100 miles of the dugout for us ever again but he was fighting a losing battle trying to step into Ferguson’s shoes as has every manager since then found out its not never going to happen

The dirty secret no one at Man Utd wants to admit is Fergie ran that last good side of his into the ground. He then washed his hands of it knowing he had not been building for the future. Moyes was the perfect patsy, and did not realize he was being set up for a fall

 

[Saint Domingo]

Moyes did a great job for us after the horror of Kendall III and Walter Smith. But his lack of a decent striker and knives to gunfight mentality against the very top teams meant we were never going to break the glass ceiling. And not forgetting the manner of his departure. Did well for us but his time has very much gone.

So glad we’ve been taking our big guns to the gun fight since Moyes. Our approach to away games at the top 6 under Martinez Koeman Allardyce and Silva has been a breath of fresh air to watch. Can’t get enough of the 3, 4, 5 -0 hammerings, but least we had a go hey unlike Moyes and his silly draws away at teams far better than us.

 

[Saint Domingo]

The dirty secret no one at Man Utd wants to admit is Fergie ran that last good side of his into the ground. He then washed his hands of it knowing he had not been building for the future. Moyes was the perfect patsy, and did not realize he was being set up for a fall

They set Moyes up to fail. He wanted Herrera Kroos Bale and a new left back. They gave him Fellaini at the end of the window and then Mata in January (two players who went on to serve them very well under multiple managers).

They didn’t replace the likes of Scholes and Giggs who retired with Fergie who were two of the greatest players of all time and people expected the dominance just to continue.

If they’d stuck with him I’d argue they’d be better off now than they are having messed about with Van Gaal and now Ole. Similarly if they’d stuck with Mourinho he’d have got it right, but they are so unbelievably unpatient.

6 year contract to rebuild that United team then they gave him no money and fired him after a few months. Absolute joke .

 

[shagpuss]

So glad we’ve been taking our big guns to the gun fight since Moyes. Our approach to away games at the top 6 under Martinez Koeman Allardyce and Silva has been a breath of fresh air to watch. Can’t get enough of the 3, 4, 5 -0 hammerings, but least we had a go hey unlike Moyes and his silly draws away at teams far better than us.

My post was in no way defending our subsequent managers. Although we have drawn at Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, City and Chelsea as well as winning at Old Trafford.
I think if Moyes had had a more positive attitude against the biggest teams, we could have done something special. We did have some pretty good players during 2002-2013. We just lacked a top quality striker except for one season of Yakubu.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Love sky’s latest... Moyes in strong position for the Everton and West Ham jobs they been told... didn’t say who by, simply click bait

If West Ham are thinking about bringing him back they're even more insane than us.

 

[Death]

Erm...tough to say really. Obviously don't watch you every week. I do think there comes a point where you have to look beyond the manager to find the real problem. Much like United you've had numerous managers all falling way short of expectations. They've been backed financially for the most part so is it a recruitment issue? Sounds cheesy but you have to look at the ethos of the club and is there a clear plan.

Don't mean to get on my high horse because we're not perfect but when the owners came in they set a five year plan to be challenging in the top half of the Premier league. We ended up winning it in 4. Sometimes things have to get worse before they get better.

Everton as a football club and fan base deserve so much more

You’ve been dormant for few years but the head patting muscles never faded. Pat me FIP, pat till all there’s left is scalp.

 

[Yorkie89]

The dirty secret no one at Man Utd wants to admit is Fergie ran that last good side of his into the ground. He then washed his hands of it knowing he had not been building for the future. Moyes was the perfect patsy, and did not realize he was being set up for a fall

People will just use it as a stick to beat him with though so no point in trying to reason with valid points when people only want to scrutinise what went wrong. Fergie knew exactly how it was going to pan out and knew it would ruin his legendary status at the club. He did exactly what wenger should of done at arsenal

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

You shouldn't go back I think

If Moyes does indeed get the job then I'll back him and the team of course, but it will feel like a backwards step in many ways

If Hughes gets the job then Stubb Hub is going to get a lot of business off me as I'm not going the game anymore

 

[Saint Domingo]

My post was in no way defending our subsequent managers. Although we have drawn at Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, City and Chelsea as well as winning at Old Trafford.
I think if Moyes had had a more positive attitude against the biggest teams, we could have done something special. We did have some pretty good players during 2002-2013. We just lacked a top quality striker except for one season of Yakubu.

He was a bit unlucky at times though. First off looking at the quality of the top 4, Fergies United, Wenger’s invincibles, Chelsea under Mourinho Ancelotti, Benitez’s Liverpool. He did beat Spurs and City away when they were weaker but that top 4 were arguably some of the best teams in premier league history.

Despite this we were seconds away from winning at the emirates thanks to Pienaar’s chip before a last minute deflected strike from Rosicky. We conceded a ridiculous goal from Terry in the 100th minute after Vaughan had missed a chance to go 3-1 up at Stamford Bridge. We were robbed numerous times at Anfield including when Kuyt dived over Howard for a pen when we were 2-1 up and when we lost 2-0 despite them only having one shot on target and Reina pulling off the game of his life at the other end.

Yeah there were lots of times we could have done better. But we could have easily put in a lot worse performances and with a bit of luck would be sat here with two or three away wins at these grounds.

At least Moyes actually has a few derby wins to his name including the cup games against that lot when they were a top side and we played them three times in a couple of weeks and legitimately matched them home and away. He also had wins away at Spurs and City aides who were arguably better then than the United and Arsenal sides are now.

He wasn’t perfect by a long way but we were far more competitive under him against the big boys than anyone since and no flukey Oviedo goal after being battered for most of the game away at Old Trafford will change my opinion on that.

 

[matty1878]

He was a bit unlucky at times though. First off looking at the quality of the top 4, Fergies United, Wenger’s invincibles, Chelsea under Mourinho Ancelotti, Benitez’s Liverpool. He did beat Spurs and City away when they were weaker but that top 4 were arguably some of the best teams in premier league history.

Despite this we were seconds away from winning at the emirates thanks to Pienaar’s chip before a last minute deflected strike from Rosicky. We conceded a ridiculous goal from Terry in the 100th minute after Vaughan had missed a chance to go 3-1 up at Stamford Bridge. We were robbed numerous times at Anfield including when Kuyt dived over Howard for a pen when we were 2-1 up and when we lost 2-0 despite them only having one shot on target and Reina pulling off the game of his life at the other end.

Yeah there were lots of times we could have done better. But we could have easily put in a lot worse performances and with a bit of luck would be sat here with two or three away wins at these grounds.

At least Moyes actually has a few derby wins to his name including the cup games against that lot when they were a top side and we played them three times in a couple of weeks and legitimately matched them home and away. He also had wins away at Spurs and City aides who were arguably better then than the United and Arsenal sides are now.

He wasn’t perfect by a long way but we were far more competitive under him against the big boys than anyone since and no flukey Oviedo goal after being battered for most of the game away at Old Trafford will change my opinion on that.

So what you saying? You want him back?

 

[Stephenlloyd]

He was a bit unlucky at times though. First off looking at the quality of the top 4, Fergies United, Wenger’s invincibles, Chelsea under Mourinho Ancelotti, Benitez’s Liverpool. He did beat Spurs and City away when they were weaker but that top 4 were arguably some of the best teams in premier league history.

Despite this we were seconds away from winning at the emirates thanks to Pienaar’s chip before a last minute deflected strike from Rosicky. We conceded a ridiculous goal from Terry in the 100th minute after Vaughan had missed a chance to go 3-1 up at Stamford Bridge. We were robbed numerous times at Anfield including when Kuyt dived over Howard for a pen when we were 2-1 up and when we lost 2-0 despite them only having one shot on target and Reina pulling off the game of his life at the other end.

Yeah there were lots of times we could have done better. But we could have easily put in a lot worse performances and with a bit of luck would be sat here with two or three away wins at these grounds.

At least Moyes actually has a few derby wins to his name including the cup games against that lot when they were a top side and we played them three times in a couple of weeks and legitimately matched them home and away. He also had wins away at Spurs and City aides who were arguably better then than the United and Arsenal sides are now.

He wasn’t perfect by a long way but we were far more competitive under him against the big boys than anyone since and no flukey Oviedo goal after being battered for most of the game away at Old Trafford will change my opinion on that.

A few derby wins, the fact he managed an Everton team that for a few seasons over his 11 were a better team than Liverpool, that’s not a great record. We were favourites for the cup semi in 2012.

Look at silva after one season. Battered Arsenal for an hour missed, some great chances. They scored a goal 3yards off side. Liverpool 96min winner. 2-1 up at spurs. Jorginho should have been sent off after 20mins v Chelsea and had 10men for 70mins, We get a 0-0 draw. Utd cheating penalty, then smalling in a booking should have gone with 20mins to go after fouling Richarlison for our pen.

So you could argue 5 hard luck stories out of 6 games away at the top 6 in one season. You can only find similar over 11 years for Moyes.

I want silva gone, but if he was here 11years and had 66 away games v the top 6. He would definitely win a few, draw a few and have plenty of hard luck stories.

Remember the derby away when gerrard was sent off early on. And Moyes just stayed with the same game plan, basically playing for 0-0 and we lost 3-1
His very last game in charge, summed up Moyes. Away at Chelsea, nothing on the game, we couldn’t go up or down. And at 1-1 with 20mins to go he made a defensive sub. And Torres scored and we lose 2-1. A great chance to finally get a win at one of the top 4. And he still couldn’t break away from his defensive mindset.

If moyes has no affiliation to Everton football club. And was being strongly linked with the job. The whole fan base would be in meltdown.

 

[Saint Domingo]

So what you saying? You want him back?

I’d have him over anyone that isn’t a top tier manager. If we could go out and get one of those then that would be the dream but look at our recruitment recently and the names banded around now. Martinez a relegated Wigan manager who we would have gone for regardless of the cup win, Koeman who had won trophies in Holland but did alright with Southampton, Allardyce, Silva who relegated Hull and was going the same way with Watford, and now we mention the likes of Howe, Wilder, and Dyche as candidates.

I’d have Moyes over any of the aforementioned clowns as he is a far superior manager. If he could do a bit of work to get us back into Europe going into the new stadium and clear out the deadwood in the squad then I’d have him for a couple of seasons to then make us attractive to a top manager again. At the moment no one will touch us so we keep going for long shot appointments of lower end prem managers who have had some decent form but then our cowardly spineless squad just shoves them under a bus and the crowd lose faith after a season. Moyes would sort the squad out and have enough credit with the crowd to do it as a minimum.

 

[matty1878]

I’d have him over anyone that isn’t a top tier manager. If we could go out and get one of those then that would be the dream but look at our recruitment recently and the names banded around now. Martinez a relegated Wigan manager who we would have gone for regardless of the cup win, Koeman who had won trophies in Holland but did alright with Southampton, Allardyce, Silva who relegated Hull and was going the same way with Watford, and now we mention the likes of Howe, Wilder, and Dyche as candidates.

I’d have Moyes over any of the aforementioned clowns as he is a far superior manager. If he could do a bit of work to get us back into Europe going into the new stadium and clear out the deadwood in the squad then I’d have him for a couple of seasons to then make us attractive to a top manager again. At the moment no one will touch us so we keep going for long shot appointments of lower end prem managers who have had some decent form but then our cowardly spineless squad just shoves them under a bus and the crowd lose faith after a season. Moyes would sort the squad out and have enough credit with the crowd to do it as a minimum.

Mate I get what your saying - but why should we beg to a past it manager, who left us like a rocket when he got a better offer? Leave him in retirement and never go back.

 

[barneygumble]

Just no.

Never go back, but definitely never ever go back to a weapon who unsettled two key players, ran down his contract and instilled the small time mentality, which still plagues us today.

 

[Saint Domingo]

A few derby wins, the fact he managed an Everton team that for a few seasons over his 11 were a better team than Liverpool, that’s not a great record. We were favourites for the cup semi in 2012.

Look at silva after one season. Battered Arsenal for an hour missed, some great chances. They scored a goal 3yards off side. Liverpool 96min winner. 2-1 up at spurs. Jorginho should have been sent off after 20mins v Chelsea and had 10men for 70mins, We get a 0-0 draw. Utd cheating penalty, then smalling in a booking should have gone with 20mins to go after fouling Richarlison for our pen.

So you could argue 5 hard luck stories out of 6 games away at the top 6 in one season. You can only find similar over 11 years for Moyes.

I want silva gone, but if he was here 11years and had 66 away games v the top 6. He would definitely win a few, draw a few and have plenty of hard luck stories.

Remember the derby away when gerrard was sent off early on. And Moyes just stayed with the same game plan, basically playing for 0-0 and we lost 3-1
His very last game in charge, summed up Moyes. Away at Chelsea, nothing on the game, we couldn’t go up or down. And at 1-1 with 20mins to go he made a defensive sub. And Torres scored and we lose 2-1. A great chance to finally get a win at one of the top 4. And he still couldn’t break away from his defensive mindset.

If moyes has no affiliation to Everton football club. And was being strongly linked with the job. The whole fan base would be in meltdown.

The fact he finished ahead of Liverpool three time’s with the financial difference between the teams is a far more important stat than one off games. It wasn’t a fluke that we were better than them for a few seasons and certainly not a stick to beat him with. The cup semi? Was that the one where Liverpool had Luis Suarez and Andy Carrol upfront 60 million pounds plus worth of talent including a player who has been one of the best strikers in the world for the last 7 years? Whereas we had 6 million Nikica Jelavic supported by Magaye Gueye and Leon Osman because Pienaar was suspended? The one we probably would have won if Dustin hadn’t have gifted them a goal to get back in it. That one yeah.