Moyes Potential Replacement

[Dell Boy]

Ralf Rangnick has denied speculation claiming he met with Chairman Bill Kenwright to discuss the vacant manager's position at Everton.

That's cos he was talking about a Director of Football role.

With Vitor as Head Coach


It's on!

 

[throughthewindandthedrain]

Moyes first game as EFC manager against Fulham fielded this side:

Simonsen; Hibbert, Weir, Stubbs, Pistone; Gemmill, Gravesen , Carsley, Unsworth , Ferguson, Radzinski .

Why do people say he inherited shte?

I raise this because of the anti Martinez sentiment comparing unfavorably his 4 years at Wigan to Moyes. I'd take the above side to survive in the Prem every day of the week - might not win much but tasked with survival? No problem at all.

From this steady base and the acceptance of transition by the fans Moyes getting transfer funds and the burgeoning talent of Rooney to come puts him in a completely different league to Martinez.

Whelan turned the money taps off post Bruce and Jewell (in reality the only reason Wigan were ever in the top div.) and Martinez had his best players sold - together with the wages slashed by over 20%!!!!
Factor in what top player is drawn to "wigan" and it's mission impossible unless you do something different. The accepted route is everyone back, be solid, hoof it and hope, but this is the fate of Birmingham, Wolves, Hull, Bradford, Coventry etc far more go down with the "accepted wisdom" and usually within their first season than all guns blazing.

This is the great hope with Martinez he believes in meeting challenges offensively.

We have no real money our ONLY hope is via improvement in the last third by either ambitious youth development in house or cheap imports from the south americas/spain etc where lads don't have the technique coached out of them.

I've been convinced since I saw his Swansea side built from nothing playing like Brazil 1970 in the lower divisions (again another impossibility according to the pros). if you're fair minded and consider the truth about Wigan you look past this years relegation and admire the fight he put up right to the end of his tenure and acclaim the FA cup for what it was - vindication of bravery against all odds.

Our history abounds with "out of nothing" the great phoenix of success suddenly rising the only thing missing is a dynasty. We need a man of vision to look long term to do a Shankly or Busby and lay unbreakable foundations while pulling the strings of the first team.... he is loyal, bright, assured, knows english football, proven in the big games and quite clearly WANTS to be here ..... nothing against the other names .... but if you believe in destiny he lives on our doorstep but turned down LFC for a reason.

Martinez is "chosen" and in his heart he knows.

sh*t that's completely won me round. still think that a team in Wigan's position should have made sure the back four always had shape injuries or not, but hopefully someone will help him see the sense in that. if he gets the team breaking effectively away from home then the legend begins

 

[maddison]

I don't think the Vitor supporters and the Martinez supporters are going to see eye to eye until the announcement is made.
Who ever it is i just hope we can all get right behind our new manager.

As soon as it's announced, I'll ditch this thread in the hopes there'll be a sexy attacking formation thread to replace it.

If he blows it (Martinez), I don't think he'll be given 5 years with us thankfully. I'll be hoping he does well though.

 

[Dell Boy]

.....I suppose its all a matter of interpretation. He finished 4th in his 1st season with Santa Clara and then 5th in his 2nd. Hardly progression never mind 'success' for a club seeking promotion. Regardless, his only true success is at Porto where he took over a very good side. I just think his CV is a bit fragile and superficial and folk are jumping on the Vitor bandwagon without true consideration. My opinion although unlikely to change your view.

But that CV is still a million times stronger than that of Martinez!

 

[Muppet Basher]

As soon as it's announced, I'll ditch this thread in the hopes there'll be a sexy attacking formation thread to replace it.

If he blows it (Martinez), I don't think he'll be given 5 years with us thankfully. I'll be hoping he does well though.

I think if he blows it , it may well be the end of Billy K aswell

 

[Woolly Blue]

"We need a man of vision to look long term to do a Shankly or Buzby and lay unbreakable foundations"

Fck me backwards.

It worked for BT

 

[footiemad101]

...really concerned with the way the vote is going and hope Bill doesn't tune in. Periera's pre-Porto CV saw him sacked when managing in the 3rd tier of Portugese football. He was then unsuccessfull in the 2nd tier before leaving a managers job to become an assistant to AVB at Porto. When AVB left, Periera inherited a top side which he managed to 2 titles. I'm really worried that there's a lot of hype about this fella and little substance.

I know as much about football management as I do about brain surgery but I reckon I could manage Porto to compete in the Portuguese League, there's only 2 teams and with Benfica getting to the final of the domestic cup and the tiring Europa league it was made even easier for Porto who scraped by title by the smallest margin, I could never in a million years manage Wigan to win the fa cup or stay in the premier league with little money or manage Everton to a consistent top 7 spot, what Periera has done is nothing special and hundreds of managers across Europe would have produced similar results if they'd manage Porto just now, that cannot be said about Moyes's over achieving at Everton or Martinez's over achieving at Wigan, how Periera can be the supposed fans choice based on what he has achieved really surprises me if true, Martinez in my opinion stands out by a country mile as the obvious next manager of Everton, be gutted if I am wrong.

 

[maddison]

I think if he blows it , it may well be the end of Billy K aswell

Stop it, you're now making me all conflicted! :blink:

 

[Quim]

I think if he blows it , it may well be the end of Billy K aswell

He was finished years ago mate, should've stayed off the beak

 

[Nero]

I know as much about football management as I do about brain surgery but I reckon I could manage Porto to compete in the Portuguese League, there's only 2 teams and with Benfica getting to the final of the domestic cup and the tiring Europa league it was made even easier for Porto who scraped by title by the smallest margin, I could never in a million years manage Wigan to win the fa cup or stay in the premier league with little money or manage Everton to a consistent top 7 spot, what Periera has done is nothing special and hundreds of managers across Europe would have produced similar results if they'd manage Porto just now, that cannot be said about Moyes's over achieving at Everton or Martinez's over achieving at Wigan, how Periera can be the supposed fans choice based on what he has achieved really surprises me if true, Martinez in my opinion stands out by a country mile as the obvious next manager of Everton, be gutted if I am wrong.

On the same basis, I reckon I could struggle to keep a team like Wigan in the PL. I reckon I could even relegate them.

The difference between the two is the style of football, which comes from the training by the manager. Portos approach is fastpaced, direct to feet, high pressing. The only good bit of Wigans play is they play the counter attack well (Kone's speed is perfect for this). The rest of their play is just poor.

The "Martinez gets Wigan playing attractive football" is just a myth.

 

[bol-uk]

Moyes first game as EFC manager against Fulham fielded this side:

Simonsen; Hibbert, Weir, Stubbs, Pistone; Gemmill, Gravesen , Carsley, Unsworth , Ferguson, Radzinski .

Why do people say he inherited shte?

I raise this because of the anti Martinez sentiment comparing unfavorably his 4 years at Wigan to Moyes. I'd take the above side to survive in the Prem every day of the week - might not win much but tasked with survival? No problem at all.

From this steady base and the acceptance of transition by the fans Moyes getting transfer funds and the burgeoning talent of Rooney to come puts him in a completely different league to Martinez.

Whelan turned the money taps off post Bruce and Jewell (in reality the only reason Wigan were ever in the top div.) and Martinez had his best players sold - together with the wages slashed by over 20%!!!!
Factor in what top player is drawn to "wigan" and it's mission impossible unless you do something different. The accepted route is everyone back, be solid, hoof it and hope, but this is the fate of Birmingham, Wolves, Hull, Bradford, Coventry etc far more go down with the "accepted wisdom" and usually within their first season than all guns blazing.

This is the great hope with Martinez he believes in meeting challenges offensively.

We have no real money our ONLY hope is via improvement in the last third by either ambitious youth development in house or cheap imports from the south americas/spain etc where lads don't have the technique coached out of them.

I've been convinced since I saw his Swansea side built from nothing playing like Brazil 1970 in the lower divisions (again another impossibility according to the pros). if you're fair minded and consider the truth about Wigan you look past this years relegation and admire the fight he put up right to the end of his tenure and acclaim the FA cup for what it was - vindication of bravery against all odds.

Our history abounds with "out of nothing" the great phoenix of success suddenly rising the only thing missing is a dynasty. We need a man of vision to look long term to do a Shankly or Busby and lay unbreakable foundations while pulling the strings of the first team.... he is loyal, bright, assured, knows english football, proven in the big games and quite clearly WANTS to be here ..... nothing against the other names .... but if you believe in destiny he lives on our doorstep but turned down LFC for a reason.

Martinez is "chosen" and in his heart he knows.

Beautifully written

 

[glorydaze]

"proven in the big games" maybe three or four times and crap in the "little" games hence relegation.

 

[malfosse]

That's ok mate, Doin me head in all this now as I hate it when the fanbase is split like this, they need to get it announced so we can all get back to backing us, regardless to wether people are happy with the appointment or not.

You're really going to love all the transfer rumours.

 

[helpimonfire]

Has Vitor signed yet?

Vitor!! Vitor!! Vitor!! Oh Yeah Baby.

 

[Connor Crossland]

Everton Alliance ‏@EvertonAlliance 2h
Just been told that an announcement will be made at 10am tomorrow morning. Roberto Martinez welcome to the greatest club in the world