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Moyes to Sunderland

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Gwladysstreetlad said:
I never said Moyes was a brilliant success but your deluding yourself if you don't think his early years were important to us. His first seven years here he took a relegation fodder side and transformed us into a side that had the ability to compete for the top four (and actually managed it once) reached a cup final along with two top five finishes. Far from end of the rainbow stuff I agree but far from a disaster when compared to the load of crap of the previous decade before he arrived. His negativity always stopped him progressing but to dismiss his first seven years as being a fraudulent is laughable. Nobody is pretending his time here was amazing but he was always better then Martinez. Even Martinez's one fluke season wasn't as good as three of Moyes. El Fraudo's one fluke season wasn't that much of an improvement from the previous one under Moyes.
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He was a charlatan that would have Evertonians believing he was as good as it would get for us.

He was a good talent evaluater and a bang mediocre football manager. He seems to have forgotten the one thing that he was decent at...making a team hard to beat.

Knowing what I know now I wish we would have binned him around ~2008. We might have actually won the cup in '09 if we had a manager that wasn't such a coward.
 
ilikecheese said:
He was a charlatan that would have Evertonians believing he was as good as it would get for us.

He was a good talent evaluater and a bang mediocre football manager. He seems to have forgotten the one thing that he was decent at...making a team hard to beat.

Knowing what I know now I wish we would have binned him around ~2008. We might have actually won the cup in '09 if we had a manager that wasn't such a coward.
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Behave. Nobody other then a few reactionary clowns ever thought Moyes did anything better then a decent job at building us back up after over a decades worth of dross and relegation worrys. Of course he bigged himself up, all managers do that. Pre Moyes we'd only finished in the top six once in the Premier League era and we've only done it once since he left. It's not were I want us to be at all but it's better then what was going on for years before or the clown that followed him. At least there was a time when he knew how to make his team hard to beat, something his idiotc successor never learned. Moyes should of left after 2009 when he bottled the cup final and reached his glass ceiling with two top five and the final. Who would you of picked to take over him? We weren't getting the money to spend from Kenwright so who would of done better on that budget? Apart from Joe Royle, Moyes is our most successful (an indictment of how crap we've been) manager of the Premier League era. Hopefully Koeman will take us back to were we should be but until he actually wins something he hasn't done anything better (in real terms) then Moyes did here.
 
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What I don't get is why didn't Moyes take either his scouting methods or the scouting team he had at us with him? Say what you want about Moyes his scouting team always managed to find cracking players for little outlay. I get at United he was expected to operate on a different level and that the market has changed since those days but there are still equivalent bargains around. I don't get why he went out and bought all ours and United tired old players along with absolute tripe. Not a Cahill, Pienaar, Arteta, Coleman type inspired find anywhere in his time there.

I remember reading this a while ago for anyone who can be bothered to go through it (it's a decent read) and being impressed with the set up. How has he gone from that to whatever he had at Sunderland

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.in...hat-reveals-david-moyes-mind-8756011.html?amp
 
The recent ability of even mediocre clubs to spunk a load of money on average players has completely blown a lot of that analytical stuff out of the water.
Moyes had the luxury of a few years security to set up all that scouting. when you are plunged into a relegation fight you better buy 3/4 players in January capable of picking up points for the team and who are up for the fight.

that article was written 4 years ago, and still there is a lack of good right backs!

were those same scouts involved with the Niasse deal?? ffs

what it all points to, is that as a club you must produce 1/2 players from the academy each season capable of stepping up to the first team.
 

If there are any changes at Celtic then Moyesie could head up there. Even he couldn't mess up at Parkhead and he's a former player of course.
 
gonetomorrow said:
If there are any changes at Celtic then Moyesie could head up there. Even he couldn't mess up at Parkhead and he's a former player of course.
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He had his chance at that job early last summer and demanded stupid money, so they said no and went with Gnashers... and now they're on for an undefeated season and domestic treble.
 
Manager that was time rich with us to build something. Can't do that anywhere else.

Which is why Big Sam or Pulls are better managers. Will get results in 6months over Moyes' 2 years.
 

Tony Cascarino in the Times was pretty scathing of Moyes with his thinly-veiled observation that he 'would effectively be retiring' if he quits.

He refers to his 'lazy signings' and 'how poor Sunderland have been' before mentioning that he'd be surprised if any other would show an interest.

His image is quickly and quite surely unravelling to show what we all already know: he simply isn't up to the standard to manage at this level.

If he doesn't walk, it'll be interesting to see whether Sunderland stick with him as I'm less than confident he has the fight to bring them back up.
 
PhilM said:
Tony Cascarino in the Times was pretty scathing of Moyes with his thinly-veiled observation that he 'would effectively be retiring' if he quits.

He refers to his 'lazy signings' and 'how poor Sunderland have been' before mentioning that he'd be surprised if any other would show an interest.

His image is quickly and quite surely unravelling to show what we all already know: he simply isn't up to the standard to manage at this level.

If he doesn't walk, it'll be interesting to see whether Sunderland stick with him as I'm less than confident he has the fight to bring them back up.
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Moyes looks like a cynic to me. Broken ambitions has revealed a surly and disrespectful character who's just manipulating his past at Everton to con any mug who'll have him that he's worth the effort.

In fact, that's been the most obscene part of his time at Sunderland for me: the way he's referenced his time at Everton as his free pass to stealing a wage off Sunderland.

A repulsive character. I cant believe I gave complete backing to this snake for the best part of a decade before he finally sickened me.
 

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