2022/23 Nathan Patterson

Terrarian · October 21, 2022

davek said:
Maybe people should focus on the lad who's played 7 games in 10 months rather than the veteran who's notched up 332 appearances in an Everton shirt?

Erm this is the Patterson thread David,

davek · October 21, 2022

JLW said:
No one dislikes Coleman we just want what's better for the team and right now that's Patterson even having only played 7 games.

Sentiment has no place in football, you're either good enough or you're not, it doesn't matter how good you was its how good you are at the present.

Nothing wrong with Coleman's performances since he came back in. We just have a poor attack that cant hand us a result. That would be the same with Patterson in there too. Anyone who believes Patterson's presence in that team in the last three games would have affected the results must have rocks in their head.

Noisy noise annoys · October 21, 2022

davek said:
Nothing wrong with Coleman's performances since he came back in. We just have a poor attack that cant hand us a result. That would be the same with Patterson in there too. Anyone who believes Patterson's presence in that team in the last three games would have affected the results must have rocks in their head.

Petterson would have gotten further upfield, that is certain. Wether Gordon,Gray,Maupy or DCL would get any coser to goal as a result is open to question, but the fact remains, we woul have had more in the opposition half had he played. In fact, I seem to remmber the stick you used to beat him so much was the fact he is more of a winger than a defender........

wandyr79 · October 21, 2022

davek said:
Nothing wrong with Coleman's performances since he came back in. We just have a poor attack that cant hand us a result. That would be the same with Patterson in there too. Anyone who believes Patterson's presence in that team in the last three games would have affected the results must have rocks in their head.

Given the performances in those 7 games, I would have Patterson over Coleman.

Coleman has been one of my favourite players and still is, but times change, and Patterson has easily shown that he is up for the job of replacing a legend.

I don't think anybody can claim that results would have definitely changed but it might have given us something different, especially against Newcastle. Coleman didn't really get down the line and offer an overlap, maybe Patterson would have and got a cross in, who knows one of those possible crosses would have met Calvert-Lewins head? We will never know but to say it definitely would not have affected the result is also a bit 'rocks in the head' territory.

davek · October 21, 2022

Noisy noise annoys said:
Petterson would have gotten further upfield, that is certain. Wether Gordon,Gray,Maupy or Dominic Calvert-Lewin would get any coser to goal as a result is open to question, but the fact remains, we woul have had more in the opposition half had he played. In fact, I seem to remmber the stick you used to beat him so much was the fact he is more of a winger than a defender........

I think you're misremembering how many times Patterson got in the opposition half in his 7 games for Everton.

wandyr79 said:
Given the performances in those 7 games, I would have Patterson over Coleman.

Coleman has been one of my favourite players and still is, but times change, and Patterson has easily shown that he is up for the job of replacing a legend.

I don't think anybody can claim that results would have definitely changed but it might have given us something different, especially against Newcastle. Coleman didn't really get down the line and offer an overlap, maybe Patterson would have and got a cross in, who knows one of those possible crosses would have met Calvert-Lewins head? We will never know but to say it definitely would not have affected the result is also a bit 'rocks in the head' territory.

Never seen Patterson overlap more than one or two times since he arrived here. He just doesn't do that regularly.

Noisy noise annoys · October 21, 2022

davek said:
I think you're misremembering how many times Patterson got in the opposition half in his 7 games for Everton.

Never seen Patterson overlap more than one or two times since he arrived here. He just doesn't do that regularly.

So you admit you were wrong about him being a gung-ho wnger and not a defender

Cool

Shibbywiggles · October 21, 2022

Maybe the quality of opposition comes into play but Patterson offered far more getting forward (aside from sadly equally bad crossing as Seamus) and was as good if not better defending than Seamus too.

Patterson coming back asap is great news.

roy vernon · October 21, 2022

The difference between Patterson now and Coleman when he was in his prime, is small, the difference between them now is massive. I think that Patterson also has a much higher ceiling than Seamus ever did. It's up to the boy's dedication and a good injury free career now. There is every chance that Patterson can be a very special player indeed. Before @davek kicks off on me, I neither said or suggested that he is a very special player now, he obviously isn't, but, he really does have the potential to become one.

dylsexicbleu · October 21, 2022

Shibbywiggles said:
Maybe the quality of opposition comes into play but Patterson offered far more getting forward (aside from sadly equally bad crossing as Seamus) and was as good if not better defending than Seamus too.

Patterson coming back asap is great news.

Patterson's crossing is better than he has shown us so far. I don't know if he was snatching at them pre injury but I'd describe him as a decent crosser. He's capable of delivering duff ones but he has a really good cross on him when he catches them right.

Nyhus · October 21, 2022

roy vernon said:
The difference between Patterson now and Coleman when he was in his prime, is small

I think Coleman in his prime was much, much better than what we’ve seen from Nathan. I like the youngster a lot, but hes got ways to go before hes near prime Coleman. He has been a very, very good player for us. No doubt in my mind he was among the best RBs in the PL at one point. Patterson is not that. Yet.

mahermi1 · October 21, 2022

davek said:
Nothing wrong with Coleman's performances since he came back in. We just have a poor attack that cant hand us a result. That would be the same with Patterson in there too. Anyone who believes Patterson's presence in that team in the last three games would have affected the results must have rocks in their head.

Okay Rocky

roy vernon · October 21, 2022

Nyhus said:
I think Coleman in his prime was much, much better than what we’ve seen from Nathan. I like the youngster a lot, but hes got ways to go before hes near prime Coleman. He has been a very, very good player for us. No doubt in my mind he was among the best RBs in the PL at one point. Patterson is not that. Yet.

I agree with you, that's why I said that the difference between prime Coleman and present day Patterson is small. Seamus was a good full back, but, his crossing was always iffy, he was quick ish, but not Patterson levels of quick, he was more likely to get in the box and have a goal chance than Patterson, but he just didn't have Patterson's strength and physical. All of that adds up to Seamus in his prime being better than current level Patterson. Not by a country mile though and when you factor in Patterson has just turned 21 and remember Coleman at that age...Patterson's ceiling is potentially much higher. As I say it's up to the lad and his application.

DualityNSNO · October 21, 2022

roy vernon said:
I agree with you, that's why I said that the difference between prime Coleman and present day Patterson is small. Seamus was a good full back, but, his crossing was always iffy, he was quick ish, but not Patterson levels of quick, he was more likely to get in the box and have a goal chance than Patterson, but he just didn't have Patterson's strength and physical. All of that adds up to Seamus in his prime being better than current level Patterson. Not by a country mile though and when you factor in Patterson has just turned 21 and remember Coleman at that age...Patterson's ceiling is potentially much higher. As I say it's up to the lad and his application.

Prime Coleman also had a full season at Blackpool and several seasons here. He also had an atrocious debut in Europe, played 3 consecutive games (which showed him as a good winger...?) and then never again for the season as he was struck with Moyesitis. Came back from Blackpool and was looking much better and much calmer.

You're comparing that with a kid with less than 10 games and saying "it's not as good". Well... duh? As I said, Coleman himself was nothing special his first few games.

We have a few seasons until we see Patterson's prime, and hopefully he surpasses Coleman (which shouldn't be a problem as Seamus' current form is taking a huge dump on what his career was 3 years ago).

As this is Everton, however, in 3 years time Coleman will still be here as a player, his legs would've withered at that point and davek will still argue that he's warranted a start for being a good servant to the club or what have you.

Cameron Manning · October 21, 2022

davek said:
I think you're misremembering how many times Patterson got in the opposition half in his 7 games for Everton.

Never seen Patterson overlap more than one or two times since he arrived here. He just doesn't do that regularly.

He gets forward plenty of times and gets in great positions signalling for the ball,but runs in vain most of the time because the other players in possession of the ball fail to see him or completely ignore him, I think he would have improved Everton’s performances quite a bit if he had played.

roy vernon · October 21, 2022

DualityNSNO said:
Prime Coleman also had a full season at Blackpool and several seasons here. He also had an atrocious debut in Europe, played 3 consecutive games (which showed him as a good winger...?) and then never again for the season as he was struck with Moyesitis. Came back from Blackpool and was looking much better and much calmer.

You're comparing that with a kid with less than 10 games and saying "it's not as good". Well... duh? As I said, Coleman himself was nothing special his first few games.

We have a few seasons until we see Patterson's prime, and hopefully he surpasses Coleman (which shouldn't be a problem as Seamus' current form is taking a huge dump on what his career was 3 years ago).

As this is Everton, however, in 3 years time Coleman will still be here as a player, his legs would've withered at that point and davek will still argue that he's warranted a start for being a good servant to the club or what have you.

Did you even read what I posted mate. I said that Patterson is better than Coleman is now and has the potential to become a much better player than Coleman ever was.