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Nymzee said:
Please find anyone saying this in regards to a net spend discussion and I'll believe you.
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It’s there relating to how much Moshiri has spent, it will be in the vaults if you care to look. Stay around long enough and it will probably end up in this thread. People don’t ignore how much he has spent on share acquisition or debt payments, and they use these figures to come up with the 500 million figure, because I think we both accept that our net spend isn’t anywhere near that.

Whether we should include these figures is up for debate, but they are seldom mentioned when the investment of owners from other premier league clubs is mentioned.
 
Neiler said:
The difficulties are two fold - bad investments - literally no resale value on anyone we bought - in fact we cant give them away & a horrific wage bill. Both things significantly contributing to our loss.

In a way the spend is irrelevant its what you do with what you spend/invest and the cost of keeping it.

If we spent 500 mill well and made a profit on all we bought/invested in wed be brewstered and able to afford our wage bill - sadly though.
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100% these 2 things are at the heart of our financial issues..
 
blueblue said:
During the window anytime there was mention of Everton the gross amount spent by the club on transfers was always mentioned and how that money was wasted.
None of us could argue about that but there never seems to be a balanced discussion where it is also pointed out that we recouped about 280m from player sales in the same period which gives a net spend in the region of about 200m.... still a huge sum, some incredibly bad buys, some shocking transfer decisions but not as wasteful as the media would like to make it out to be.
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We've clearly had a lot of bad luck as well.
Injuries to Gbamin, Gomes and Bolasie wiped out £75m and Sig another £50m.
Not much we could do about that.
 

Dymak said:
It’s there relating to how much Moshiri has spent, it will be in the vaults if you care to look. Stay around long enough and it will probably end up in this thread. People don’t ignore how much he has spent on share acquisition or debt payments, and they use these figures to come up with the 500 million figure, because I think we both accept that our net spend isn’t anywhere near that.

Whether we should include these figures is up for debate, but they are seldom mentioned when the investment of owners from other premier league clubs is mentioned.
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No, they use £500 million figure because that's what we've spent on players. Not £500 trillion, not shares and debts.

Net spend is discussed online as player acquisitions vs player sales and nothing more.
 
Neiler said:
The difficulties are two fold - bad investments - literally no resale value on anyone we bought - in fact we cant give them away & a horrific wage bill. Both things significantly contributing to our loss.

In a way the spend is irrelevant its what you do with what you spend/invest and the cost of keeping it.

If we spent 500 mill well and made a profit on all we bought/invested in wed be brewstered and able to afford our wage bill - sadly though.
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We also havent had much luck. yes recruitment has been poor but you cant account for the big injuries some of our big money signings have had.

Bolasie- was doing well until his bad injury. No one would buy him after that.

Tosun- Bad injury, probably wasnt good enough but we could have probably sold him for some actual cash if it wasnt for that.

Gbamin- Was meant to be a bit of a coup that we got him, injured and never been able to play in a run of games.

Delph- No one could have predicted how bad a signing he would be. Always injured.

Add in Sigurdsson who would have possibly been sold or contract renewed to enable a fee it shows what bad luck we have actually had.
 
Net spend can definitely be manipulated to fit whatever narrative you want to present.

For example, here is a net spend graphic for the January window.

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That gives a net spend of £6.26m but we all know that Dele will end up costing us money. It could be anywhere from £10m to £40m but it certainly won't be free. Also there is no mention of the additional cost of changing managers. Benitez will get a very sizable pay-off and Lampard will be on decent wages.

Everton's real net spend for January will be closer to £50m but they don't present it that way because the club don't have to pay out the £50m in the same month.

FFP is just a game of smoke and mirrors.
 

blueblue said:
During the window anytime there was mention of Everton the gross amount spent by the club on transfers was always mentioned and how that money was wasted.
None of us could argue about that but there never seems to be a balanced discussion where it is also pointed out that we recouped about 280m from player sales in the same period which gives a net spend in the region of about 200m.... still a huge sum, some incredibly bad buys, some shocking transfer decisions but not as wasteful as the media would like to make it out to be.
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Only the RS have a net spend.
 
Nymzee said:
No, they use £500 million figure because that's what we've spent on players. Not £500 trillion, not shares and debts.

Net spend is discussed online as player acquisitions vs player sales and nothing more.
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Of course, I was exaggerating in stating trillions, in line with the exaggeration and hyperbole that seems to be common place when discussing Moshiri's investment in Everton, something that doesn't seem to happen anywhere near as much when other clubs and their owners are discussed.

People do say that Moshiri has spent 500 million 'since arriving at Everton', when this is challenged I have had people refer to his acquisition of his shares and the payment of debt.

The net spend figure is approximately half of the much cited 500 million figure, and I query whether the net spend figure includes the spending of club revenues derived outside of player trading? So if his acquisition of shares and debt repayments are discounted, and a healthy portion of the net spend figure comes from club money, what figure are we attributing to investment from Moshiri?
 
Dymak said:
Of course, I was exaggerating in stating trillions, in line with the exaggeration and hyperbole that seems to be common place when discussing Moshiri's investment in Everton, something that doesn't seem to happen anywhere near as much when other clubs and their owners are discussed.

People do say that Moshiri has spent 500 million 'since arriving at Everton', when this is challenged I have had people refer to his acquisition of his shares and the payment of debt.

The net spend figure is approximately half of the much cited 500 million figure, and I query whether the net spend figure includes the spending of club revenues derived outside of player trading? So if his acquisition of shares and debt repayments are discounted, and a healthy portion of the net spend figure comes from club money, what figure are we attributing to investment from Moshiri?
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But he has spent £500m on players since he arrived that's why it's used??? Not sure why you're struggling so much here. I stuck a graph up before showing it. No one says our net spend is £500m.

No idea why you keep adding in debts and shares and everything else. Net spend has nothing to do with that it's purely player trading.
 

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