New Everton Manager

[TheCount]

Simple question mate. You say Ancelotti makes average players better.
Apart from DCL who , in your opinion , improved under Ancelotti?

Pickford

 

[jazzy]

To paraphrase Fabian Delph:

You'd ask for a photo if you ever met Pirlo.

Didn't know we were looking for a poster boy as new manager. Undoubtedly a great player but poor performance by Juve last season doesn't reflect well on him.Not many great players make great managers

Pickford

Interesting. I thought he got much , much worse initially but by the end of last season he had returned to his previous level.

 

[MikeH72]

Pickford

I’d say Pickford actually got much worse over the majority of Ancelotti’s time here, then picked up towards the end.

 

[EFCccc]

Pickford

BS. Pickford is a hit and miss keeper. He will look good for stretches and bad for stretches, Carlo didn’t improved Pickford, he’s just on a good run.

 

[Parker]

Don't know about anyone else but I'm absolutely sick of seeing the word "passion" mentioned in line with the new manager search on twitter.

I couldn't care less about passion tbh, just find someone good.

 

[Zatara]

Pirlo was unfairly treated at Juventus...they were on the right track with him.


McKennie was carrying the midfield all season...a player who doesnt have the stamina to last a full game but did put the effort in after arriving not in the best physical shape.

Arthur had several injuries

Bentacur is wildly inconsistent

Ramsey has performed in flashes

Bernardeschi isnt good enough

Dybala has been mostly injured

Chiellini is past it and injured

Bonucci is past it

Morata hit form then got injured

Cuadrado was good then got covid

Rabiot began inconsistently

De Ligt had a shoulder injury



Over the season he has:

Got the best out of a last legs Ronaldo and Cuadrado

Improved Chiesa, Kulusevski, McKennie, Rabiot, De Ligt and brought Frambotta through from the youth.


Champions league and 2 trophies in his first season.

He would need Brands to bring in young players for him to teach and would have to move on a lot of the squad.

A very inspired appointment if true.

Pirlo doesnt speak English...

...English speaks Pirlo.

I really dont believe you watched them. Either that or you didnt understand what he was trying to achieve and how the older players (mostly) failed him...


FORWARDS

Pirlo wants to press teams high up the pitch and then drop back to defend.

He cant press high up the pitch because:

Ronaldo doesnt press + no point only Morata pressing up top.

Therefore he had to go immediately deep with a press which is 10th in the league statistically. Something that does not follow his tactical plans.


DEFENCE

Then you have Bonucci/Chiellini who arent good enough. If you watched 50% of the Juventus games then you can see that with your own eyes.

Chiellini is gifting goals away and Bonucci is done. The only thing they succeeded in doing was sitting very deep when they played and this also nullified Pirlos tactic of pushing forward -- with Danilo as a utility player coming in (hardly a top player) and Sandro playing about half a season.

De Ligt was injured and Demiral needs a player next to him who is a calming influence...the older players let him down there.

Cuadrado is the only player at the back who consistently played well...but only for half a season as a typical right back.

Again, if you watched 50% of the games you would know this.

So neither the defence or forwards were able to follow his plans

Kind of an obstacle dont you think?


MIDFIELD


Bernardeschi is rubbish.

Ramsey was freqently injured and showed high levels of ability occasionally

Rabiot grew into his role over the season.

Bentacur was basically Gomes in terms of consistency

McKennie arrived unfit and unconditioned and yet Pirlo managed to develop him as the legs in midfield even though he didnt last for full matches as he doesnt have the stamina to carry the midfield on his own.

Its quite funny you mention Arthur playing more for Juventus than Barca...if you watched both teams...you would see that they started him about the same amount of times.

Kulusevski and Chiesa were two shining lights of the season. If you watched the matches you would often see the space that Pirlos tactics created for them out wide.

But yeah...you say you watched the games but cant actually explain why Pirlo's tactics werent good.

"He lost games" isnt a critique of a managers tactics....

He won 2 trophies and got them champions league with a squad decimated by injury and suffering from age and a lack of quality in depth.




What are your thoughts on Pirlo?

Spot on.

The 'favourites for the title' had:

Chiesa
Rabiot
De Ligt
Kulusevski
McKennie
Demiral
Arthur

Other than those 7 the rest of the squad needs a total overhaul.

They should have given him another season.

Did they need a huge overhaul of the squad last season when they pissed the league? Injuries is a poor excuse when you consider this is a team that has won NINE on the bounce previous to his appointment, at which point they didn’t just miss out on the title, they actually finished FOURTH

Heres some of my earlier posts.

They finished 5pts off where they were last season.

Look at the injuries Pirlo had most of the first choice players were out for lengthly periods.

Another year on Ronaldo, Bonucci, Chiellini...it has a big impact.

He did very well with the younger players...if he was given this summer and able to bring in 3 or 4 more young players like McKennie, Chiesa and Kulusevski he would have taken them back towards the top.

 

[Parker]

BS. Pickford is a hit and miss keeper. He will look good for stretches and bad for stretches, Carlo didn’t improved Pickford, he’s just on a good run.

Ancelotti did a very good job with Pickford, took him out the firing line when he needed to and you can't argue that Pickford hasn't found his best form in an Everton shirt in the last few months under him since the Derby.

He finished the season as the 1 player I didn't want to strangle by the end.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Don't know about anyone else but I'm absolutely sick of seeing the word "passion" mentioned in line with the new manager search on twitter.

I couldn't care less about passion tbh, just find someone good.

How many Chelsea managers have passion?

 

[Zatara]

Didn't know we were looking for a poster boy as new manager. Undoubtedly a great player but poor performance by Juve last season doesn't reflect well on him.Not many great players make great managers

Interesting. I thought he got much , much worse initially but by the end of last season he had returned to his previous level.

He didnt perform poorly though...loads of injuries and a squad which needs an overhaul

I'd be thrilled if we got him

Probably go for someone no one has thought of.

 

[Encoder]

We need to give every new manager at least 1 season for me.

Judge them on their 2nd season.

That doesnt mean somebody cant hit the road running, like Carlo almost did, but sadly we have had what seems like 20 managers in 5 years.

Basically I am yet again asking for some stability.

A very small consolation, but at least it wasn't our fault (really) that it all went tits up.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Ancelotti did a very good job with Pickford, took him out the firing line when he needed to and you can't argue that Pickford hasn't found his best form in an Everton shirt in the last few months under him since the Derby.

He finished the season as the 1 player I didn't want to strangle by the end.

People forget he recently had a baby which messes with your head, sleep deprived and then his form went

 

[jazzy]

Ancelotti for me is largely past it - he's dining off his name.

When we appointed him I couldn't have been happier. However his performances at Everton were poor and when you consider how it ended at PSG , Bayern and Napoli you are driven to the conclusion that you are correct.
Maybe , just maybe we got lucky with him leaving and saving us £33 million.

 

[Parker]

How many Chelsea managers have passion?

Tbf there are a lot of top managers who do have "passion". Guardiola, Klopp, Conte, Tuchel to name a few. But my problem is with the ones who say Ferguson should get it because he's one of us (which he is) and hugs ball boys when we score.

Passion can get short term results but I'm not convinced about long term. And it is also 1 of the many tools that a manager can have. We need to be looking at a young manager who wants to build over the next five or so years. It's the reason I wouldn't have Conte because we'd just have Ancelotti v2.

 

[Parker]

People forget he recently had a baby which messes with your head, sleep deprived and then his form went

I honestly think the Derby mistake was his downfall and he literally exorcised that demon with the last Derby. Its as simple as that for me, must've been massive for him.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Tbf there are a lot of top managers who do have "passion". Guardiola, Klopp, Conte, Tuchel to name a few. But my problem is with the ones who say Ferguson should get it because he's one of us (which he is) and hugs ball boys when we score.

Passion can get short term results but I'm not convinced about long term. And it is also 1 of the many tools that a manager can have. We need to be looking at a young manager who wants to build over the next five or so years. It's the reason I wouldn't have Conte because we'd just have Ancelotti v2.

5 years seriously?
we need to buy a RB and RW and that will vastly improve the team. A midfielder with pace