New Everton Manager

[Nymzee]

The youth policy is a big plus. An area we've been lacking in in a while.

Only played them because he had to. Where was Gilmour, Abraham, CHO etc. this season under him?

 

[Dixie1sixty]

The job is too much of a challenge for someone like Conte. Not that he couldn’t do it, just why would he? He’s gone past the stage in his career where he wants to take on a project like this one. He’s won multiple titles and probably now sees the next step as winning things in Europe.

I suppose we could use a stereotypical Italian phrase and make him and offer he can’t refuse, but it would have to be some offer.

The Conte shouts are utterly pointless. Not only would he have zero motivation to come here, he'd be a terrible fit. Showing ambition to me never involves getting a manager in who is likely to make things worse.

 

[toffeeblue9]

Might not be the front runner but there is a lot to like about Lampard:
1. Seems a no nonsense manager.
2. Already learned his trade in the lower leagues.
3. Young, hungry with a point to prove.
4. One of the best midfielders in the world when he played and teach that expertise
5. Played under some really good managers in his time.
6. Free agent.
And he hates Klopp so he will fit right in here, I would support his appointment 100%.

After just catching up with this thread the worrying thing is the Graham Potter and xG shouts, the last 20 pages has broke me.

For what it's worth (and given your comment about Potter and xG, I expect you'll hate this), practically none of the points you've made about Lampard above would make me consider him, but this would...

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xG is useful because it allows you to statistically quantify whether a team has been lucky/unlucky or is doing about what they should. Sometimes overperformance can point to having elite players. Sometimes underperformance can point to having sub-par players, but regardless it's useful. It doesn't tell the full story, but it's still a useful barometer. Brentford sacked their manager a few years back (Warburton I think) after he had finished 5th on the basis that their stats analysis told them that they had been lucky.

 

[GoSoccerToffees]

The stadium actually went into its own separate company/accounts when we got planning permission for it, so it won't have any bearing whatsoever on ffp now.

Also the athletic did a article stating that the fee for ancelotti was alot higher then it was being reported.

Although I am with you on the conte thing. We need someone to build a team conte doesn't do that, he takes good teams and wins things with them then goes mental and walks out.

Don't get me wrong though I'd love conte here and would be behind him 100% but I wouldn't be surprised when he walks out of the club in 2 years when he asks for mbappe and gets told there's no chance.

Conte is very good at showing up at an underperforming club and identifying four or five signings that boost the overall squad performance level.

I think he's exactly what we need. He'll stop the inevitability of a Richy/ James leaving saga as well. In no world are Everton not trying to coax him here.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

If we can't get a proven successful 'foreign' manager, then I would be happy to support the appointment of Mr Ferguson.

He has demonstrated his passion and the drive for our club. Carlo Ancelotti didn't hesitate to abandon us: me thinks that Duncan, sorry Mr Ferguson, would never do that. Indeed he could get a further tattoo: Premier League Champions 2022/3.

Yeah Conte or Big Dunc for me

 

[blueblue]

The job is too much of a challenge for someone like Conte. Not that he couldn’t do it, just why would he? He’s gone past the stage in his career where he wants to take on a project like this one. He’s won multiple titles and probably now sees the next step as winning things in Europe.

I suppose we could use a stereotypical Italian phrase and make him and offer he can’t refuse, but it would have to be some offer.

There are not that many jobs that a manager like Conte would consider.
I would have thought he would have been a contender for the Madrid job.

Spurs have London, the stadium but a chairman that is all business and not enough football.

The only reason Everton would have any chance of a manager like Conte is that the owner is prepared to spend money on players. I am not sure just now what jobs are available to Conte unless PSG if Pochettino leaves

 

[luuk_deventer]

If Lampard gets the job, I think Everton may target Abraham, Hudson-Odoi and maybe Loftus-Cheek.

 

[ForeverEverton]

Might not be the front runner but there is a lot to like about Lampard:
1. Seems a no nonsense manager.
2. Already learned his trade in the lower leagues.
3. Young, hungry with a point to prove.
4. One of the best midfielders in the world when he played and teach that expertise
5. Played under some really good managers in his time.
6. Free agent.
And he hates Klopp so he will fit right in here, I would support his appointment 100%.

After just catching up with this thread the worrying thing is the Graham Potter and xG shouts, the last 20 pages has broke me.

A point to prove would be the biggest thing for me here...

 

[Bluewolf]

Conte is very good at showing up at an underperforming club and identifying four or five signings that boost the overall squad performance level.

I think he's exactly what we need. He'll stop the inevitability of a Richy/ James leaving saga as well. In no world are Everton not trying to coax him here.

Yes but the under preforming clubs are chelsea, juventus and inter. These are top clubs that play in the champions league every season. Hes not walking into fiorentina and taking them to the top. I cant see James lasting very long here with conte in charge. Training till you throw up isnt james thing I imagine.

As i said id love to have him here but I just wouldn't be surprised when it all goes tits up and tbh i don't think he'd touch us with the dirty end of a rag man's trumpet.

 

[Dixie1sixty]

Yes but the under preforming clubs are chelsea, juventus and inter. These are top clubs that play in the champions league every season. Hes not walking into fiorentina and taking them to the top. I cant see James lasting very long here with conte in charge. Training till you throw up isnt james thing I imagine.

As i said id love to have him here but I just wouldn't be surprised when it all goes tits up and tbh i don't think he'd touch us with the dirty end of a rag man's trumpet.

Exactly and clubs that already have great squads.

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

Might not be the front runner but there is a lot to like about Lampard:
1. Seems a no nonsense manager.
2. Already learned his trade in the lower leagues.
3. Young, hungry with a point to prove.
4. One of the best midfielders in the world when he played and teach that expertise
5. Played under some really good managers in his time.
6. Free agent.
And he hates Klopp so he will fit right in here, I would support his appointment 100%.

After just catching up with this thread the worrying thing is the Graham Potter and xG shouts, the last 20 pages has broke me.

Nope. Lampard is a little grass. He lacks tactical nous and has a hugely inflated ego. Only bigged up because of his mates in the London media and uncle 'arry.

Plus, he is a huge Tory supporter. Major no from me.
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[navidson]

Yes but the under preforming clubs are chelsea, juventus and inter. These are top clubs that play in the champions league every season. Hes not walking into fiorentina and taking them to the top. I cant see James lasting very long here with conte in charge. Training till you throw up isnt james thing I imagine.

As i said id love to have him here but I just wouldn't be surprised when it all goes tits up and tbh i don't think he'd touch us with the dirty end of a rag man's trumpet.

Sounds like one of @ForeverBlue92's chat up lines

 

[jazzy]

The Conte shouts are utterly pointless. Not only would he have zero motivation to come here, he'd be a terrible fit. Showing ambition to me never involves getting a manager in who is likely to make things worse.

I agree mate. What's the point of having a manager whose sole reason for coming is to pick up his salary.

 

[barneygumble]

Your points are based on Ferguson did terribly which just isnt true. He had a run of 4 games against very tough opposition in about 13 days with zero preparation time. He got 5 points out of 9 and was very unlucky especially in the arsenal match (we should of had two penalties for handball) that we didn't take more points in those games.

What were you expecting from this man? 9 out of 9 points and to go through to the next round of the cup smashing every team 9-0. We were in the relegation zone when he took over and had only won 2 games since September and me thinking 5 points out of 3 games against Chelsea, United and arsenal isnt me basing it on what actually happened?

I was at the arsenal game actually and you know what so was the mythical crowd you keep on heaping all the praise on for the Chelsea win was there was well. So tell me why weren't the crowd at fault for our terrible performance that day? Why is it the crowd when we played well but its dunks fault when we played crap? Dunk was the joint assistant at everton but he still has to respect the limits of his position he cant start throwing his weight around or hell get sacked. What do you want him to do? Turn to ancelotti and tell him that their doing things his way now.

If you want to be technical about it derby have been on the decline since Gary rowett. Also derby backed Lampard fairly well compared to what they backed subsequent managers. You seem to rate Lampard? I think he did well at Chelsea but not so much at derby.

Fergusons requirements for players will be alot more to brands level then ancelotti who just wanted to buy old has beens that we have to replace in 2 years. Ferguson will know this is a massive chance for him should he get the job and I doubt he'd jeopardise that by being awkward with the dof, that's obvious.

I'm not clinging to anything mate. You obviously have a issue with Ferguson with your refusal to give him any credit whatsoever. If you think we need a more experience manager thats fine but we've tried more experienced mangers, we've tried flavour or the month managers and we've even tried world class managers and none of them have worked. Maybe we give it to a manager that actually cares about the club and wants whats best for it and if Chelsea can do it with a transfer ban why cant we?

You’re contradicting yourself straight away.

I watched the games, I’ve seen everything 8 need to see. Did I say he did “terribly”? No, of course I didn’t.
Were his tactics limited, and culpable for being found out? Yes, we played rigid, we beat Chelsea and struggled through the remaining games. It filled a void and that was it.

The idea you want to take a gamble on Ferguson, who has no managerial experience, is just strange to me. Why not Unsworth? He’s at least been a manager for 3-4 years, albeit at u23 level.

Why was it different for Chelsea and Arsenal? Why is the atmosphere better for a derby, but not so much for West Brom at home? It was an important match, a big match, it was a game everyone wanted us to win, cause we all love Duncan. You’re not getting that every game.

Whenever I’ve been a partner in work, or worked under someone, I will tell someone if it isn’t working, it’s called communication. If Ferguson thinks they need motivation, then go and do it. (I don’t personally think it’s his job, but if he’s trying to be manager, and he’s been part of 5 different managerial reigns, surely be must be able to identify that, no?)

Derby County got the best out of their loan system with Mount, Tomori and I think Wilson. He achieved more than Rowert did by making a playoff final. What’s your point? Lampard has managerial experience, Ferguson doesn’t.

Lampard, despite this still got sacked for being inexperienced. Did well with no pressure, cracked with Pressure.

How do you know Ferguson’s level of football will be aligned to that of Brands?

As I keep saying, I love Ferguson, but it’s not a boys club, and managers shouldn’t be appointed on sentiment.

This is Everton, we’re a huge club and I want us to succeed, and by doing so, I want us to appoint the best available manager to take us to the next level. It’s just not Duncan, got earn your trade, prove you can be a manager, then come back.

 

[MikeH72]

If Lampard gets the job, I think Everton may target Abraham, Hudson-Odoi and maybe Loftus-Cheek.

Lampard isn’t getting the job and hasn’t even been linked.