New Everton Manager

[Tubey]

I suppose it boils down to how far you feel this manager can take us with his style of football.
For me I have never enjoyed counter attacking football. I find it too defensive and dreary and largely reliant on occasional moments of excitement.
Although there can be different iterations of the same overall style I believe in today’s environment success is more likely to be achieved by fast attacking football than by the passive variety.
For these reason I regard this appointment negatively and am largely unenthused.
I did not want a big name appointment just one that would play football I enjoy and I subjectively suppose would bring a greater chance of success.

For me, it's that you're reliant on the other side being better than you.

Counter attacking should be something you use in the odd game for pragmatic purposes. It shouldn't be Plan A.

 

[kev]

….as far as most posters are concerned I think the current situation can best be described as;

‘Underwhelmed. We want NES to do well but we don’t expect NES to do well.’

I don't think you're right @Eggs. It seems to be some sort of disaster as far as most posters are concerned.

I love GOT, but it is nowhere near being a representative section of the Everton fan base.
I think your last sentence pretty accurately describes the feelings of the majority of the fans. The majority WILL get behind him and give him a fair crack of the whip.
The majority of posters on this site however will continue spewing venom.

 

[DanB90]

Counter attacking football can be effective and exciting when done right, Leicester won the League with it, Liverpool have done it for as long as I can remember, just with a higher press. Problem is, our current players have proven over the last few years that they simply cannot transition up the pitch quickly enough, or even perform simple passes to break through a defence (James aside, who more than likely won’t be here anyway, and I don’t even know if he’d fit into Nuno’s system).

Plus we have Richarlison and DCL who seem unwilling or unable to play each other in on goal week after week.

 

[davek]

Zat, the majority of us knew that Ancelotti reverted to that type of play due to the situation he was in. He started the season playing on the front foot, reverted to defence first when injuries hit and those replacements simply could not play football.

As any good manager does, you revert to a tight back line. You don’t concede, you don’t lose and your chances of winning increase.

But, it would have changed this season.

Nuno’s Plan A is Carlo’s plan F; amazing stuff

Ancelotti told us it was "impossible" to get highly paid and costly professional footballers to play more than one way.

HE WAS TAKING THE PISS AND YOU FELL FOR IT.

 

[nsno-chris]

Ancelotti told us it was "impossible" to get highly paid and costly professional footballers to play more than one way.

HE WAS TAKING THE PISS AND YOU FELL FOR IT.

hi Dave, this is utter Bullshit. But thanks for your concern

 

[blueblue]

Your argument is flawed.

The fact is that this isnt after his 2nd season at Wolves.

Hes been there 4 seasons.

If Ancelotti had played the same style next season then the knives would he out for him (a fair amount were sick of him already --- funnily enough alot of those want Nuno).

Signing a manager who has stuck to a negative style and not evolved over 4 years is the discussion point...not whether we would have had less of an informed opinion 2 years ago and made a mistake.

Were currently making that mistake with 2 years more data.



I think if he comes in then A LOT will depend on the turnaround of players whether he is supported or not.

At this point id rather he was sacked quickly.

If we are aiming for mid table then just hire ferguson and if he failed then hire a safe negative manager like this.

The fact remains he won promotion and in the next two seasons finished seventh.
Last season he lost at least three key players for the season.

I am not sure which bit of that is flawed to be honest ?

Most managers need some period of settling in when joining a new club more so if they come from abroad

 

[catcherintherye]

Nuno is clearly a very good coach, but he has been massively helped by Gestifute and Mendes parking top players at Wolves. Will Mendes now bring his top prospects to Everton or will he still favour Wolves. Especially with Wolves owner the Chairman of Fosun Group Guo Guangchang owning part of Mendes's agency Gestifute.

That's one of the two big concerns I have for him really. I asked the Wolves fan's who came on a few weeks ago the exact same thing. How will he do if he's not getting fed lots of Mendes clients and "preferential" rates?

I mean there may still be some relationship with Mendes, and Moshiri works closely to agents, but I can't see it matching what happened at Wolves.

The 2nd concern is he seems to have hit a glass ceiling at 59 points with Wolves. We are at 59 points. So is he able to go beyond this?

Back to that original point though, I do wonder the implications for Brands who appears to have had a promotion of sorts. Is the Mendes link now just another cook in the kitchen? We have to be careful of the Mendes stuff too, for a couple of years it was fantastic, but last summer he seemed to move a lot of good players on and replace them with some quite expensive flops for Wolves.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

This is even worse than Allardyce because we had all the time to decide this time (so Big Sam decision is more tolerable) were not in panic mode and could plan this carefully, unfortunatelly we bottled it.

Galtier could have been our Arsène Wenger...instead we went for another Portuguese hipster who has dodgy relationships with agents.

 

[Vic Vinegar]

I think it’s an uninspiring appointment but I do hope people give him a chance. It won’t help anyone if everyone is on his back straight away.

 

[larrygobfiend]

hi Dave, this is utter Bullshit. But thanks for your concern

Seems pretty accurate to me….

 

[davek]

hi Dave, this is utter Bullshit. But thanks for your concern

You still support that BS artist Carlo after he pissed down your leg and told you it was raining.

The bluffer was coining it here on about £8M in wages and leaving his son to take training and then throwing his hands up in the air and telling us that he cant get professional players to pass the ball to each other.

 

[Dixie1sixty]

And Doherty and Jota

And Johnny and Boly

And Podence and Neto.

Basically all their best players.

They also started last season after 3 days of preseason after a 50+ game season during a really bizarre year in world history where a global pandemic disrupted everything and created all sorts of new dynamics in football.

Call all this information excuses all you want, but it's clear why they underperformed last season and dare I say it, if we had the same circumstances, I don't even think we would have finished as high as 13th. Every manager has a bad season or two ffs.

 

[toffeeblue9]

I'm a bit underwhelmed and have some misgivings about style of football and the relationship with Mendes (our recruitment had better not consist of just players from the Mendes stable as it did at Wolves), but it isn't Benitez, Gerrard, Moyes or Martinez - all of whom would have meant a massively divided fanbase from the off.

The most worrying thing about this is the fact that most of the reports seem to indicate that this was Moshiri's choice. Again. If this is the case, I'd genuinely be in favour of binning Brands because if he can't operate as a proper DoF then what's the point of having one?

Anyway, I'll get behind him. There aren't many people we could have appointed that would have pleased everyone, as this thread illustrates, so it could have been worse.

 

[jazzy]

"[Nuno gave] £250,000 of his own money to help impoverished families in Wolverhampton, donated in January. Nuno’s money has meant hundreds of crisis families could put food on the table. It’s provided tablet computers for homes that couldn’t afford technology for children to learn during lockdown.

He...wanted to do something for the city, feeling passionately that people who were suffering should be helped. Discussions were had as to the best way to channel his money and the notion of kids simply not having food on their tables resonated most of all, with food poverty a huge problem in Wolverhampton.

He just got it. He understood what this sleeping giant needed, he understood what success meant to the club, to the city."


If he gets the job he'll fit in here. That's the type we need at the club.

I'm perfectly willing to accept that he's a principled philanthropist but that doesn't qualify him to manage EFC.
It is the same reasoning of DBB doing a good job of running Everton in the Community so let's make her CEO of the whe organisation.
It's why we are small time.

 

[nsno-chris]

You still support that BS artist Carlo after he pissed down your leg and told you it was raining.

The bluffer was coining it here on about £8M in wages and leaving his son to take training and then throwing his hands up in the air and telling us that he cant get professional players to pass the ball to each other.

Hi Dave, you’ve hounded out one of the greatest managers of a generation and will now endure a dull, uninspiring 5-3-2 with 3 shots per game

You’re more than welcome