New Everton Stadium

[marty mcfly]

This is getting very very weird now. It has been explained to you multiple times that buying up property isn't necessary for first and second stage redevelopments which give us everything a new stadium would give us in terms of capacity and corporate facilities.

I asked the minimum amount of houses for a 60K stadium and it was 20. That's not even counting the fact that higher stadium walls (and hotel) would block the light probably forcing us to buy more.

It also doesn't solve the corporate box issue. Goodison even with a new stand would still not attract the kind of business a shiny new modern stadium would.

 

[marty mcfly]

[Poor language removed]. Then if it costs somewhere around £125m for the equity, the club needs to find someone with a quarter of a billion burning a hole in their pocket

The club aren't going to be sold for 125m. The first team are worth more than that.

 

[marty mcfly]

Dear me Mr Esk, that is so pessimistic. I'm in no way disagreeing with you as your business finance knowledge is far far better than mine.
It really looks,to me, that our lack of good business acumen in the early nineties has now condemned us to being perrenial also rans with nil prospects of any improvement stadium wise into the far distant future.
What concerns me the most, at present, as I mentioned in a previous post, is if GP fails to get a safety cert in the future does the whole pack of cards come tumbling down?

We don't have to make the same mistake as the 90s. We can use the extra TV money to build a new stadium.

 

[Dymak]

It's certainly a huge risk to their business model which in turn will effect the whole game of football. It's already happened to music, dvd movies, tv shows etc

It's another reason why we need to build the stadium now while we can.

I think it's more of a threat to Sky than it is to football. The broadcasting still needs to take place, people still want to watch it so the advertising market that funds all this will remain in place, people still need an internet connection to watch the games. I just don't see people continuing to pay for Sky when they can have everything they want from an internet connection, an android box, and a TV. The way the global TV rights are distributed may have to change, because the granting of TV rights within geographical borders isn't going to work with the way internet TV is going.

 

[The Esk]

The club aren't going to be sold for 125m. The first team are worth more than that.

The club is currently valued at £50 million.

 

[Moomin]

The club is currently valued at £50 million.

Why, just why.

He is going to say we are worth 300 million again now.

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

I asked the minimum amount of houses for a 60K stadium and it was 20. That's not even counting the fact that higher stadium walls (and hotel) would block the light probably forcing us to buy more.

Needing to buy 20 houses to increase the capacity to 60,000 in no way whatsover justifies the statement that "Redevelopment isn't an option. It would require buying up the property and getting planning permission which is never going to happen."

A new stadium would never be 60,000 from the start. And nor would re-development. The 60,000 figure is a long term target.

It also doesn't solve the corporate box issue. Goodison even with a new stand would still not attract the kind of business a shiny new modern stadium would.

That depends on how you market it. I'm sure with the right approach the first purpose built stadium in the country with a fantastic history could be sold to people.

 

[marty mcfly]

Needing to buy 20 houses to increase the capacity to 60,000 in no way whatsover justifies the statement that "Redevelopment isn't an option. It would require buying up the property and getting planning permission which is never going to happen."

A new stadium would never be 60,000 from the start. And nor would re-development. The 60,000 figure is a long term target.



That depends on how you market it. I'm sure with the right approach the first purpose built stadium in the country with a fantastic history could be sold to people.

But that's what would have to be the target which means those houses would need bought. A process that could take decades.

Simply adding 5,000 new seats and redeveloping one stand isn't going to make much of a difference regarding corporate revenue or even ticket revenue. It's like using a bandage when we need major surgery.

If we had limitless funds to some how clear the space and have a design that was both modern and also preserved the two Leitch stands then the history angle would work well but that is far too costly. It's just not feasible and the sooner blues accept that the better because then we can be united and put pressure on the board.

On the issue of the new stadium not being 60K. I honestly don't understand why that isn't the target to begin with. Even City are already looking to add more seats.

 

[1966efc]

But that's what would have to be the target which means those houses would need bought. A process that could take decades.

Simply adding 5,000 new seats and redeveloping one stand isn't going to make much of a difference regarding corporate revenue or even ticket revenue. It's like using a bandage when we need major surgery.

If we had limitless funds to some how clear the space and have a design that was both modern and also preserved the two Leitch stands then the history angle would work well but that is far too costly. It's just not feasible and the sooner blues accept that the better because then we can be united and put pressure on the board.

On the issue of the new stadium not being 60K. I honestly don't understand why that isn't the target to begin with. Even City are already looking to add more seats.

I get the hopes and dreams bit, but have you got any serious evidence that anything like 60,000 seats would be sold apart from two games a season?

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

But that's what would have to be the target which means those houses would need bought. A process that could take decades.

Simply adding 5,000 new seats and redeveloping one stand isn't going to make much of a difference regarding corporate revenue or even ticket revenue. It's like using a bandage when we need major surgery.

I've been through all this in detail previously in the thread more than once (and there are multiple documents out there as well) - but briefly the plans for a new Park End and re-configuring the Main Stand (to get rid of obstructed views and add a corporate tier below the top balcony) give us everything a new stadium would. So they will make a difference.

If we had limitless funds to some how clear the space and have a design that was both modern and also preserved the two Leitch stands then the history angle would work well but that is far too costly. It's just not feasible and the sooner blues accept that the better because then we can be united and put pressure on the board.

We don't need limitless funds - that is the whole point of the staged approach that the various ideas for re-development take.

I don't know you, and it is always hard to judge things on a forum, but you honestly come across as having a vested interest in arguing that re-development isn't possible.

Finally, as various people have said the current board don't have the funds for a re-development or a new build anyway...

 

[marty mcfly]

I think it's more of a threat to Sky than it is to football. The broadcasting still needs to take place, people still want to watch it so the advertising market that funds all this will remain in place, people still need an internet connection to watch the games. I just don't see people continuing to pay for Sky when they can have everything they want from an internet connection, an android box, and a TV. The way the global TV rights are distributed may have to change, because the granting of TV rights within geographical borders isn't going to work with the way internet TV is going.

The problem is that if the stream sites aren't paying what sky pay if anything at all then football won't see the money just the same way torrent sites don't pay holywood.

 

[marty mcfly]

The club is currently valued at £50 million.

Seriously? I wonder if anyone would loan me the money to buy the club and then i could sell Rom and Ross to pay back the loan plus give myself a bonus.

I could own everton for free. Now where's the number of my bank manager.

 

[The Esk]

Seriously? I wonder if anyone would loan me the money to buy the club and then i could sell Rom and Ross to pay back the loan plus give myself a bonus.

I could own everton for free. Now where's the number of my bank manager.

I'm not sure you would meet Bill's criteria as a suitable owner.....

 

[marty mcfly]

I've been through all this in detail previously in the thread more than once (and there are multiple documents out there as well) - but briefly the plans for a new Park End and re-configuring the Main Stand (to get rid of obstructed views and add a corporate tier below the top balcony) give us everything a new stadium would. So they will make a difference.




We don't need limitless funds - that is the whole point of the staged approach that the various ideas for re-development take.

I don't know you, and it is always hard to judge things on a forum, but you honestly come across as having a vested interest in arguing that re-development isn't possible.

Finally, as various people have said the current board don't have the funds for a re-development or a new build anyway...

Are you sure you're not projecting there regarding vested interest?

A new stand isn't attractive enough to bring in the corporate revenue. A new stadium would.

 

[marty mcfly]

I'm not sure you would meet Bill's criteria as a suitable owner.....

And that's my point. The price is whatever Bill sets not what a few minor shares with no rights are going for on some secondary market. At the very least however it would cost more than the sum of the first 11.