Cant dig up water mertYou must understand the pessimism of myself and others.
When I see the workies in their yellow hi-vis jackets, diggin up BM dock, I will start to believe.
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Still not building anything though
OK we get it . Peel is not a building company .Peel is an infrastructure and real estate investment group and they don't sell land they lease it. Everton have an agreement to lease BMD subject to planning approval.
Yeah, the juxtaposition of a modern stadium with that next door is going to be pretty stark.
The smell will be the main issue. On hot days things are going to be pretty ripe.
GwladysPhil
Player Valuation: £35m
Ignore him, he's trying to be clever but failing.
AsiaAsia82
Player Valuation: £35m
I’m concerned that the 200 year lease is starting to look a little short at this rate of development..
A question for the naysayers. Given that when he bought into the club nobody was insisting that Moshiri build us a new stadium, why has he made a rod for his own back with this fantasy project (as you would put it)? I understand the club (Kenwright) has previous on this but, despite Kenwright still lurking, we now have a new owner. What does he gain from this charade? Kenwright used mythical ground moves to hang on to the train set and placate a supine fan base, but what is Moshiri's motive? I cant see one. He's just drawing fire onto himself, surely, if it's a sham. For the record, there is nobody more anti Kenwright than me. I've got personal reasons.
Over to you.
Over to you.
MichaelEFC96
Player Valuation: £15m
Just been told the pubs along the dock road are being bought...wonder why
GwladysPhil
Player Valuation: £35m
The stadium is the major key for Moshiri to make a massive return on his investment with us.
He's not here to be our sugar daddy.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
He's parking money. Itl's an asset that's always going to gain value because football is an industry where that happens. Just standing still Moshiri / Usmanov could sell up tomorrow or a few years down the line and lose nothing.
The stadium plan is EXACTLY the same as it was under Johnson and Kenwright. You are wrong to say it's "a sham". None of the stadium schemes were a sham. They were actual attempts to snag a stadium and have it built by private / public cash so that the owners' share value would sky-rocket - even if the stadium and conditions of payment for it would have saddled the club with an inferior quality facility and a financial headache for decades to come. The lying part comes from their constant over-playing of the possibility that the begging bowl approach to Everton's stadium schemes could ever bear fruit. They never can, this one included.
The overall beauty of the stadium scheme agenda for all Everton owners (past and present...Johnson, Kenwright, Moshiri) is that it makes it look like their time in control is one where they are doing something substantial to develop the club and that keeps fans deflected from the reality of a club essentially going nowhere. They'll eventually get out with a profit regardless of stadium building. Johnson did. Kenwright did. Moshiri will.
Indeed, I totally agree. But from your reply you think it will happen. You're not a naysayer. I was addressing that constituency.
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Big Fat Sam
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When no more progress is made by the end of summer the next supporter survey will read "Do you really want us to move to Bramley Moore Dock?".
GwladysPhil
Player Valuation: £35m
Fair enough, hopefully the naysayers read that and it gives them a U-Turn.
Theres only The Bramley Moore pub anywhere near the site isn't there? lol no change there whenever I go past