brieverton
Player Valuation: £50m
Didn't Colin Chong say late last year that there would be a greater focus on the internal structures and less noticeable external development?
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Tom Hughes
Player Valuation: £10m
Working on your premise we'd now be in Kirkby in a stadium with a capacity cap of 40k or less..... due to transport issues never disclosed during the ballot..... after all that's what the owners wanted.
It was established over 20 years ago by the GFE group that redevelopment was both possible and viable, with Twickenham's architects Ward McHugh drafting 2 different options for the site. Since then others have shown similar, and LCC planning office reaffirmed their openess for increasing footprint... including potential for joint venture project for the school. You are right that decision is primarily that of the owners/ board..... but how good has their decision-making been thus far? There are multiple threads condemning them.... but apparently they've got this all right.... based on a survey conducted long after the decision was made?
Over the park fans were told for well over a decade that redevelopment was not viable. They were told that they needed a whole stadium. The New build option nearly bankcrupted them before it got off the drawing board, even Forcing a Change of owner..... then miraculously it was new build that was not viable and redevelopment became the reality.... that's why we need to be more discerning than just saying it's "their decision".... we are the club and we should always be part of the process and not a token gesture survey......
Tom Hughes
Player Valuation: £10m
I never brought it up.... i merely spoke in response to others who mentioned it. Some still peddling myths about redevelopment that are as false now as they were at the time of destination Kirkby. BMD has many obvious benefits, and shouldn't really need the same hardsell of mistruths.
PKwalnuts
Player Valuation: £15m
Why bother replying so often with so much detail about redevelopment, it isn't going to happen, what is the point?
This thread is about the New Stadium. You could consider putting in the Ale House a thread titled "Redeveloping Goodison" imagining how awesome Goodison would be if it was redeveloped?
You're cluttering up this thread with rubbish. No offence.
Jacko93
Player Valuation: £35m
This all gets so boring. I am far from an arbiter on this forum, but it would be great to just have some sense on what gets put in here.
1. The stadium is happening
2. Redevelopment of Goodison isn't.
3. @Tom Hughes is a great poster who is hugely knowledgeable on stadia construction and the redevelopment opportunities that have/havent been taken.
4. Tom isn't proposing we sack off the whole stadium build and stay at Goodison, and it is right not to ignore the decision process that has led us to this point. there may be differences of opinion on these specific points, but it doesnt have to be a case of 'redevelopment was possible, therefore the new build was a mistake'. Redeveloment being possible, and new build being good can co-exist as thought processes, even within the confines of one persons mind.
Getting to this point is a positive for some, and not for others. There are many reasons behind that. Tom has a lot of background for what has gone before, we should be valuing his input, not using it as an opportunity to have a pop.
There is a lot said on this forum and in this thread, but it seems unfair to me that in many case, people ask questions or make points about the stadium which Tom answers using his own experience as a basis. The loop begins, Tom ends up further explaining his position and then people moan at him for 'not wanting Everton to move' ad infinitum.
So boring.
1. The stadium is happening
2. Redevelopment of Goodison isn't.
3. @Tom Hughes is a great poster who is hugely knowledgeable on stadia construction and the redevelopment opportunities that have/havent been taken.
4. Tom isn't proposing we sack off the whole stadium build and stay at Goodison, and it is right not to ignore the decision process that has led us to this point. there may be differences of opinion on these specific points, but it doesnt have to be a case of 'redevelopment was possible, therefore the new build was a mistake'. Redeveloment being possible, and new build being good can co-exist as thought processes, even within the confines of one persons mind.
Getting to this point is a positive for some, and not for others. There are many reasons behind that. Tom has a lot of background for what has gone before, we should be valuing his input, not using it as an opportunity to have a pop.
There is a lot said on this forum and in this thread, but it seems unfair to me that in many case, people ask questions or make points about the stadium which Tom answers using his own experience as a basis. The loop begins, Tom ends up further explaining his position and then people moan at him for 'not wanting Everton to move' ad infinitum.
So boring.
Daytripper
Player Valuation: £40m
Who would like to see us play in pre season to open the stadium? I’d like to see someone like Ajax or one of the Glasgow giants.
PKwalnuts
Player Valuation: £15m
So in terms of point 2 can we leave any chat about that out of this thread now it is no longer relevant?
ultra
Player Valuation: £15m
Don't fancy our new toilets getting wrecked, personally!
Daytripper
Player Valuation: £40m
The scouse pies at Goodison already do that mate !
Jacko93
Player Valuation: £35m
My point is that it is all relevant. New stadium discussion should include all that has lead to this. We should be able to talk of the positives of each without getting at each others throats.
Everton could have redeveloped for a lesser cost, that is true, Everton could also have gained a few things with redevelopment that we may not gain by moving stadium, which 'may' also be true. Pointing these things out and discussing them doesn't mean that the person discussing it doesn't want the new build to happen, but it does give us an angle on which to discuss or muse upon why the decision was new build rather than redevelop. That is very much on the New Stadium topic, and will continue to be relevant.
I must admit im not too bothered about this. The new stadium at BMD looks great and i agree much better than the Kirkby option would have been. The location was the part that didnt sit right for me. I would have loved Kings Dock, but alas that wasnt to be!
I think Kirkby had potential to expand to 60,000 and it was the government that torpedoed it after 'calling it in' for a review. Perhaps Kirkby was the best option at the time, im sure if it had gone ahead we would be in it now and we would all have moved on and be happy that it was better than we had.
You sound very knowlegable about the whole history of how we got to be where we are today and i will admit im not so knowledgable as to how we got to BMD. But in any case it is what it is and we need to live with it and make the most of what we have. I for one cant wait to move in and i think the match day experience will be massively improved over what we currently have and it will help bring along new supporters who are perhaps turned off by the obstucted views and experince of an ageing Goodison Park sad may that be.
Tom Hughes
Player Valuation: £10m
I only reply in any detail to specific points made.... perhaps you should direct your point to them.
GoldenToffee
Player Valuation: £60m
That Everton team from Chile again.
Excellent words them.
@Tom Hughes is a great contributor and always responds to questions with a depth of knowledge and explains it all in a language we can understand.
Stephen Gibson
Player Valuation: £15m
Watch this. It's running to schedule.