New Everton Stadium

[matty1878]

I'm saying this in peace and not particularly aimed at you but I hate the way this self deprecation has crept into our fans.

what’s this mean?

 

[tommye]

what’s this mean?

Calling you a cry arse Matty

 

[matty1878]

Calling you a cry arse Matty

how dare he

 

[Jayblue9]

750mm treads can never equate to 2:1. There is a minimum special requirement per person, when that is applied to each 750mm row it only gives approx 1.3-1.5. Then of course there has to be some room for people to get in and out of each row. In the days of terracing the gaps between crush barriers were much wider, so people could usually find some space to weave through the crowd to get to friends etc. That space is far more constrained by the rails. That's why the German Stadia usually have have treads of 850-1000mm in these areas. I think it was 850mm in the original drawings for BMD.

I think there are some doubts about increased ratios ever being allowed. Colin Chong has said as much for a while. There is some concern about excessive migration of people to the more desirable standing areas (ie directly behind the goal) or simply to be nearer friends, that may cause localised overcrowding. Having a defined seat to stand next to at least offers some self-control to some of that, by allowing people to say "you're in my spec". If proper terracing was ever allowed (as it is a multiple RL grounds), then that could help the call for increased ratios, but I'm not sure that they'd ever go to the maximum spacial allowance.

So, in essence, and as it stands, and even if the entirety of seats within the stadium were converted to standing, the capacity would not increase? In other words, even with any amount of standing, our capacity is limited to 52,888 given our 750mm tread?

 

[WelshBlue92]

So, in essence, and as it stands, and even if the entirety of seats within the stadium were converted to standing, the capacity would not increase? In other words, even with any amount of standing, our capacity is limited to 52,888 given our 750mm tread?

It will depend on the legislative requirements from the government in terms of what becomes permissible.

If safe standing is allowed but only at 1:1 ratio then the capacity wouldn't increase.
Theoretically 750mm depth allows 2:1 however with people needing to move in and out its likely that only 1.3:1 or 1.5:1 would be permissible. (this is where you need 850-1000mm depth to comfortably and safely allow 2:1).

If we take the approximately 13k seats in the South Stand as an example and converted them all to safe standing at the 1.3:1 or 1.5:1 ratios then the capacity of the south stand would be as follows.
1.3:1 = 16,900
1.5:1 = 19,500

For the Stadium as a whole (52,888) it would be
1.3:1 = 68,754
1.5:1 = 79,332
however we know this would never happen as the stadium would never be fully standing due to corporate seating/boxes, premium seating, disabled areas etc.

If we estimated that half of the seating (26,444) became safe standing then the overall capacity would be
1.3:1 = 60,821
1.5:1 = 66,110‬

 

[Jayblue9]

It will depend on the legislative requirements from the government in terms of what becomes permissible.

If safe standing is allowed but only at 1:1 ratio then the capacity wouldn't increase.
Theoretically 750mm depth allows 2:1 however with people needing to move in and out its likely that only 1.3:1 or 1.5:1 would be permissible. (this is where you need 850-1000mm depth to comfortably and safely allow 2:1).

If we take the approximately 13k seats in the South Stand as an example and converted them all to safe standing at the 1.3:1 or 1.5:1 ratios then the capacity of the south stand would be as follows.
1.3:1 = 16,900
1.5:1 = 19,500

For the Stadium as a whole (52,888) it would be
1.3:1 = 68,754
1.5:1 = 79,332
however we know this would never happen as the stadium would never be fully standing due to corporate seating/boxes, premium seating, disabled areas etc.

If we estimated that half of the seating (26,444) became safe standing then the overall capacity would be
1.3:1 = 60,821
1.5:1 = 66,110‬

Cheers mate, appreciate the easy-to-follow breakdown

 

[Jacko93]

It will depend on the legislative requirements from the government in terms of what becomes permissible.

If safe standing is allowed but only at 1:1 ratio then the capacity wouldn't increase.
Theoretically 750mm depth allows 2:1 however with people needing to move in and out its likely that only 1.3:1 or 1.5:1 would be permissible. (this is where you need 850-1000mm depth to comfortably and safely allow 2:1).

If we take the approximately 13k seats in the South Stand as an example and converted them all to safe standing at the 1.3:1 or 1.5:1 ratios then the capacity of the south stand would be as follows.
1.3:1 = 16,900
1.5:1 = 19,500

For the Stadium as a whole (52,888) it would be
1.3:1 = 68,754
1.5:1 = 79,332
however we know this would never happen as the stadium would never be fully standing due to corporate seating/boxes, premium seating, disabled areas etc.

If we estimated that half of the seating (26,444) became safe standing then the overall capacity would be
1.3:1 = 60,821
1.5:1 = 66,110‬

I think somebody ran the numbers based upon current BMD rail seating provision, showing increases depending on permissable ratios. It'll be somewhere in the thread. I know it's not helpful me saying that and then not providing a link, so sorry....

 

[Julius Geezer]

Starting to pick up pace around there now…
Another planning application for a hotel.

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[Bedfordblue]

It will depend on the legislative requirements from the government in terms of what becomes permissible.

If safe standing is allowed but only at 1:1 ratio then the capacity wouldn't increase.
Theoretically 750mm depth allows 2:1 however with people needing to move in and out its likely that only 1.3:1 or 1.5:1 would be permissible. (this is where you need 850-1000mm depth to comfortably and safely allow 2:1).

If we take the approximately 13k seats in the South Stand as an example and converted them all to safe standing at the 1.3:1 or 1.5:1 ratios then the capacity of the south stand would be as follows.
1.3:1 = 16,900
1.5:1 = 19,500

For the Stadium as a whole (52,888) it would be
1.3:1 = 68,754
1.5:1 = 79,332
however we know this would never happen as the stadium would never be fully standing due to corporate seating/boxes, premium seating, disabled areas etc.

If we estimated that half of the seating (26,444) became safe standing then the overall capacity would be
1.3:1 = 60,821
1.5:1 = 66,110‬

Really needs to be 1.339:1 for that magical 61878.

 

[John BCN]

Another of football journalism's big names falls victim to Liam Cello. Chapeau @chicoazul

 

[adi dassler]

People asking questions they already know the answer to. Asking if there's a family stand ffs

'Which one is the home end', and 'where are the away fans going to be' are the best ones for me

We're 3 years into the build, like how would you not know that!

 

[tr_efc]

What are those blue bricks for? Apologies if I've missed it. What will that end up being just outside the East Stand's turnstiles?

 

[The binman chronicles]

 

[Arteta2391]

It's written in the stars

Moyes will lead the Toffees on the season opener vs Liverpool.

 

[John from Bootle]

Wow, that west stand looks incredible bathed in the glow of the setting sun.