New Everton Stadium

[matty1878]

Only of a Sunday

i’m in

 

[The binman chronicles]

Colin Chong said over a year ago that the he thought that the most probable areas for future expansion would be at the sides. Personally, I think the North Stand could be by far the easiest, if that land could be negotiated, and by far the cheapest in construction terms per seat too. Furthermore, it would be less subject to the stadium's height constraints at planning.... (although Chong said he thought these could be less onerous for an established stadium). It would also not compromise Meis' signature barrel roof aesthetic. That alone, would take the seated capacity to approx 56k.

Given the height of the existing side stands and the proximity to water on one side, this would probably be a slightly more expensive undertaking per new seat than similar recent expansions at Anfield and the Etihad, where the starting points were much lower and more easily accessible. Of course, our side roof sections are also back-tied cantilerers, with the large barrel at the rear, so building right up to the rear row of the existing stand before roof removal, is slightly more problematic too. As Meis said, you then have the scenario of the least attractive seats costing the most to build..... So it then becomes a case of whether or not demand warrants that outlay. Of course, the potential to build in some new corporate can help to offset some of that cost, and/or the possibility of adding a new full (or closing) roof could greatly enhance the stadium's flexibility for alternative year round usage.

It would also be limited by the minimum c-value envelope. The stands are steep and may already be close to that limit (although the overlay of the original 60k cross sections suggests otherwise). Therefore, without doing the sightline calculations, it's difficult to know how many new rows can be added. It would also all be subject to any other planning restrictions in terms of accessibility and transport etc.

Of course, with sufficient money, anything is possible. Whether TFG are that type of owners is yet to be seen.

If we were able to get the land required to extend the North stand, then as per my tweaks I did to the South stand diagram to square off the end adding around 8-9 rows and increasing the corners, the North could also get the same treatment.

If done both ends it could give an extra 5k on top of the 56. 61k without really changing the shape of the roof isn't a bad place to be. Obviously it's the opposite to what would ideally be done with the larger sides instead of the ends, but like you say the roof creates a bit more of an issue in that area.

 

[Togger Blue]

wonder if they will do ski ing events?

This is GOT, so definitely Downhill.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Can't imagine the likes of Qatar going anywhere near us while we're in a perpetual relegation scrap and the chances of us dropping down into the championship a very real possibility.

Yeah, the combination of airlines and parachute payments is a bit of a poo sandwich

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

Colin Chong said over a year ago that the he thought that the most probable areas for future expansion would be at the sides. Personally, I think the North Stand could be by far the easiest, if that land could be negotiated, and by far the cheapest in construction terms per seat too. Furthermore, it would be less subject to the stadium's height constraints at planning.... (although Chong said he thought these could be less onerous for an established stadium). It would also not compromise Meis' signature barrel roof aesthetic. That alone, would take the seated capacity to approx 56k.

Given the height of the existing side stands and the proximity to water on one side, this would probably be a slightly more expensive undertaking per new seat than similar recent expansions at Anfield and the Etihad, where the starting points were much lower and more easily accessible. Of course, our side roof sections are also back-tied cantilerers, with the large barrel at the rear, so building right up to the rear row of the existing stand before roof removal, is slightly more problematic too. As Meis said, you then have the scenario of the least attractive seats costing the most to build..... So it then becomes a case of whether or not demand warrants that outlay. Of course, the potential to build in some new corporate can help to offset some of that cost, and/or the possibility of adding a new full (or closing) roof could greatly enhance the stadium's flexibility for alternative year round usage.

It would also be limited by the minimum c-value envelope. The stands are steep and may already be close to that limit (although the overlay of the original 60k cross sections suggests otherwise). Therefore, without doing the sightline calculations, it's difficult to know how many new rows can be added. It would also all be subject to any other planning restrictions in terms of accessibility and transport etc.

Of course, with sufficient money, anything is possible. Whether TFG are that type of owners is yet to be seen.

Interesting analysis.

The stadium looks magnificent and it is one that the blue half of this city can be proud of.

However, the capacity is very underwhelming when you look at West Ham and spurs etc.

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

At the end of the day Everton's new stadium could have been against the backdrop of St Chad's church with the local vole population milling round the Alt as company rather than being backgrounded by the world famous Liverpool waterfront and within walking distance of one of the most vibrant city centres in Europe.

I think we all recognise what we've been saved from, but it's going to be an ongoing debate over this stadium. That's a legitimate discussion.

This.

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

It’s getting to the point where it’s all a bit pathetic now though. The stadium is a stunner, and while it should have had a bigger capacity, some on here are making it out to be an absolute shambles.

It's great. The best stadium in the league, frankly. I just hope we have the scope to increase its capacity.

 

[Tom Hughes]

If we were able to get the land required to extend the North stand, then as per my tweaks I did to the South stand diagram to square off the end adding around 8-9 rows and increasing the corners, the North could also get the same treatment.

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If done both ends it could give an extra 5k on top of the 56. 61k without really changing the shape of the roof isn't a bad place to be. Obviously it's the opposite to what would ideally be done with the larger sides instead of the ends, but like you say the roof creates a bit more of an issue in that area.

Yes, in cross section it doesn't look like a massive difference, but I think the result would be a major improvement. It would make it look and function far more like the stand-out blue-wall that was promised. Adding an extra 2k+ just beneath the roof, also increasing that all-important acoustic catchment for that end. A fairly cost-effective way to add capacity too. Not sure of impact on concourse/toilet requirements.

 

[Bluebonic]

I think its great that the kids will get to play first at BMD, then the u21’s. Even if they never mke it, they can say ‘ I played at BMD in front of a 10k / 25k crowd. They must all be absolutely buzzing. I wonder if the final test event will be the women's team or the men's first team?

 

[kiss the crest]

All this talk about expanding the stadium can be put to bed with 1 statement from TFG.

"Sean here is your 5 year contract"

The stadium will be far too big then

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Interesting analysis.

The stadium looks magnificent and it is one that the blue half of this city can be proud of.

However, the capacity is very underwhelming when you look at West Ham and spurs etc.

Is there an economic case for us having a bigger capacity? Without that it is ultimately just willy waving especially if it compromises atmosphere.

 

[Noggsy blue]

Look how glorious she looks all lit up

 

[Tom Hughes]

Is there an economic case for us having a bigger capacity? Without that it is ultimately just willy waving especially if it compromises atmosphere.

You are right, there might well not be a case at the moment. I think the issue is more a longer term question of how future-proof the club/stadium is at 52k+.

I think at completion it will be 7th largest in the league. With Chelsea and Newcastle looking to go bigger, and one or 2 others possibly looking to increase too, that could shift us further down that table.

Of course, it's also about if we find that there is much more demand than predicted, or if (hopefully) we have some success on the field and that fanbase grows.... in which case we would want to know if/how it can be expanded.

 

[gedefc]

Interesting analysis.

The stadium looks magnificent and it is one that the blue half of this city can be proud of.

However, the capacity is very underwhelming when you look at West Ham and spurs etc.

I want the furthest thing away from the west ham ground

 

[davek]

Look how glorious she looks all lit up

That's the iconic shot right there. That's what transforms this build into a global branding exercise for the club.

It was always going to lean heavily on the location.