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New Everton Stadium

Be up for a bit of this on the waterfront

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longers said:
Not being funny but do we actually have the match going fanbase nowadays to sell out a 55-60k stadium ?

we don't sell out that many games in a 40k stadium do we ?
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I think 60,000 is far too big at the moment

However, the way I see it is that if you ignore the London clubs who can attract tourists to their games, how does our fanbase compare to other similar sized clubs in similar cities who've moved to a new stadium or redeveloped? So that would mean Man City, Newcastle and Sunderland.

All of them are Northern clubs with a traditionally working class support and a big support over the years.

Whilst playing at Roker Park, Sunderland seemed to have been restricted by their stadium size, but were also yo-yoing between the 1st and 3rd tier from the late 80s to late 90's. They were averaging between 15-20,000 before they moved and they were then getting between 41-46,000 in a bigger better stadium reaching their peak with 7th placed finishes.

Newcastle were getting 36,000 in the late 90's, but the high demand meant that they needed to expand, very much like ourselves in this era since we have sold out our opening 3 home fixtures at just under 40,000 with a large number of obstructed views and much higher ticket prices than the Geordies would have been paying back then in relation to the times. They have then been averaging just over 50,000 despite not having won a trophy in that time and are now around that figure I believe despite being in the Championship. There was a table floating round a few years back of average post war attendances and us and Newcastle were 4th and 5th with the same average, I think it was 34,000 but this factored in their expansion which we haven't had.

City are the most similar comparison to us as they were an underachieving club in a major 2 club city with far more successful neighbours. Maine Road wasn't big enough for them and even in their first season they moved they saw a 12,000 increase from 34,000 to 46,000 despite finishing lower in the table than in the previous season. Some may say that City have always had loyal supporters, but then we can also say the same. When we were relegated in the 50's we averaged between 32,000-44,000 in the second tier, although attendances were generally higher in those times. But at our best, we averaged over 51,000 which only 4 other clubs in England had managed before last season.

So I think given the comparisons with those other clubs i'd guess that initially we could expect a minimum increase of around 10,000 just from moving Stadium alone and not having the obstructed views and the excitement it brings. The clubs I mentioned saw increases of 13,000 (Sunderland), 12,000 (Man City) and 15,000 (Newcastle) in their first season without any great success on the pitch from any of them.

Factor in that we could be moving to the Waterfront, now have a billionaire owner and have talent like Deulofeu, Bolasie, Barkley and Lukaku playing for us, I would say anything between 50,000-55,000 would be right for us at this moment. We may not sell out the 55,000, but we'd be very late 40's, early 50's. Then if you add success like Man City have had, or even top 4 finishes and you're looking at us potentially needing to expand to 60,000. I think that's the limit of our fanbase if everything turns out for us, but there is no reason why we can't average around 50,000 if we move ground.
 

If this thing gets off the ground, is there much land reclamation required? Or are things going to be built on piles? Or neither? ie existing land only is employed. Is the height of the water table an issue?
Or am I barking up a wrong engineering tree altogether?
 
deipnosophist said:
If this thing gets off the ground, is there much land reclamation required? Or are things going to be built on piles? Or neither? ie existing land only is employed. Is the height of the water table an issue?
Or am I barking up a wrong engineering tree altogether?
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The docklands/etihad stadium in Melbourne is a good example of how a stadium is constructed on the type of land we have supposedly acquired.
 
EFC78 said:
I think 60,000 is far too big at the moment

However, the way I see it is that if you ignore the London clubs who can attract tourists to their games, how does our fanbase compare to other similar sized clubs in similar cities who've moved to a new stadium or redeveloped? So that would mean Man City, Newcastle and Sunderland.

All of them are Northern clubs with a traditionally working class support and a big support over the years.

Whilst playing at Roker Park, Sunderland seemed to have been restricted by their stadium size, but were also yo-yoing between the 1st and 3rd tier from the late 80s to late 90's. They were averaging between 15-20,000 before they moved and they were then getting between 41-46,000 in a bigger better stadium reaching their peak with 7th placed finishes.

Newcastle were getting 36,000 in the late 90's, but the high demand meant that they needed to expand, very much like ourselves in this era since we have sold out our opening 3 home fixtures at just under 40,000 with a large number of obstructed views and much higher ticket prices than the Geordies would have been paying back then in relation to the times. They have then been averaging just over 50,000 despite not having won a trophy in that time and are now around that figure I believe despite being in the Championship. There was a table floating round a few years back of average post war attendances and us and Newcastle were 4th and 5th with the same average, I think it was 34,000 but this factored in their expansion which we haven't had.

City are the most similar comparison to us as they were an underachieving club in a major 2 club city with far more successful neighbours. Maine Road wasn't big enough for them and even in their first season they moved they saw a 12,000 increase from 34,000 to 46,000 despite finishing lower in the table than in the previous season. Some may say that City have always had loyal supporters, but then we can also say the same. When we were relegated in the 50's we averaged between 32,000-44,000 in the second tier, although attendances were generally higher in those times. But at our best, we averaged over 51,000 which only 4 other clubs in England had managed before last season.

So I think given the comparisons with those other clubs i'd guess that initially we could expect a minimum increase of around 10,000 just from moving Stadium alone and not having the obstructed views and the excitement it brings. The clubs I mentioned saw increases of 13,000 (Sunderland), 12,000 (Man City) and 15,000 (Newcastle) in their first season without any great success on the pitch from any of them.

Factor in that we could be moving to the Waterfront, now have a billionaire owner and have talent like Deulofeu, Bolasie, Barkley and Lukaku playing for us, I would say anything between 50,000-55,000 would be right for us at this moment. We may not sell out the 55,000, but we'd be very late 40's, early 50's. Then if you add success like Man City have had, or even top 4 finishes and you're looking at us potentially needing to expand to 60,000. I think that's the limit of our fanbase if everything turns out for us, but there is no reason why we can't average around 50,000 if we move ground.
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1 club cities in the north east remember
 


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