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New Stadium- How to size it?

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Have mentioned this before - personally I would go for 60,000 but would have the top tier behind each goal ( total 8-10000 ) only available after the intial 50,000 has sold out. This would keep the atmosphere better and avoid the Emptihad effect of upto 10,000 empty seats scattered across the stadium. Big games/ if and when we regularly get bigger crowds regularly they could be used then.
 
A question perhaps not thought about. While we are all discussing what size stadium we want does the surrounding areas and infrastructure have to be considered and what it can handle on a matchday with regards size of a stadium?
 
Moshiri is taking a massive risk with a new stadium.

It won't come on stream for at least 4 years. Football can change alot, and quickly, in that time. The nightmare scenario is that by 2020 a European League has started, we're not in it, and the clubs that are in it put weakened teams in PL matches, so reducing the attraction of the PL both nationally and globally, with subsequent reduced bids for future TV rights etc. In this scenario the returns to Moshiri, from gate money to sponsorship and to other commercial interest would all be massively reduced. Puts a different complexion to the optimum stadium capacity debate.
 
Nice article @catcherintherye, well researched.

60,000 seems to be the figure the club is aiming at, and I'm pretty sure that figure will have been well stress tested in terms of ability to fill/near fill, numbers of premium seats, affordability for regular seats and ultimately return on investment.

The key to return on investment and affordabulitt of regular seats is the ratio of premium seats filled to regular seats.

If 10% of tge capacity can be sold at 10x the yield of a regular seat then premium seating accounts for slightly more than 50% of match day revenues.

Will be fascinating when this is all disclosed in due course.
 

The Esk said:
Nice article @catcherintherye, well researched.

60,000 seems to be the figure the club is aiming at, and I'm pretty sure that figure will have been well stress tested in terms of ability to fill/near fill, numbers of premium seats, affordability for regular seats and ultimately return on investment.

The key to return on investment and affordabulitt of regular seats is the ratio of premium seats filled to regular seats.

If 10% of tge capacity can be sold at 10x the yield of a regular seat then premium seating accounts for slightly more than 50% of match day revenues.

Will be fascinating when this is all disclosed in due course.
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When do you reckon all this will be disclosed mate ?
 
mrb85 said:
Moshiri is taking a massive risk with a new stadium.

It won't come on stream for at least 4 years. Football can change alot, and quickly, in that time. The nightmare scenario is that by 2020 a European League has started, we're not in it, and the clubs that are in it put weakened teams in PL matches, so reducing the attraction of the PL both nationally and globally, with subsequent reduced bids for future TV rights etc. In this scenario the returns to Moshiri, from gate money to sponsorship and to other commercial interest would all be massively reduced. Puts a different complexion to the optimum stadium capacity debate.
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Could happen, but I dont think it will. A proper EL that is.

The Premier League is the most popular global sporting thing in the world. The current CL compliments it.

In other words, they are not competitors.

If they did pursue a proper EL, I am of the view that it would very quickly become utterly tedious bore fest.

They only fly in that particular ointment are how RM, Barcelona, and BM are happy with their domestic TV plus CL TV cash.
 
Good read that @catcherintherye - a well reasoned, argued and supported article.

Would really like a new stadium to be circa 65,000, just a personal standpoint based on nothing much really.

The Emirates is 60,000 and almost a carbon copy of the Benfica Stadium of Light which holds 65,000. Arsenal allowed for bigger seats and better legroom, so that shows up to 5,000 could go moreorless onto the same footprint.
 

Tottenham's new stadium (set to be completed in around 18 months) will have a capacity of 61,000. What's more, Chelsea, Man City and Sunderland (yes, Sunderland!) all have plans to increase the capacities of their respective stadia to well in excess of 60,000.

With that in mind, building a brand-new stadium with a capacity of just 45,000 would send out a message to the world that EFC is a second rate club that can only think small. The likes of Newcastle, Sunderland, Arsenal, Man City, West Ham, Liverpool and Man Utd all have bigger stadia than that today.
 
Woolly Blue said:
Some good stuff in there @catcherintherye

One thing that never seems to get mentioned in these discussions is is there a capacity which is just too big, and not because we might not fill it.

Personally I think 60000 is about the maximum capacity I'd be happy with.

Although "going to the match" would always be my preference, I wouldn't really want to be stuck in the gods, week in, week out like some must be at the Emirates. Being at the back of the Top Tier at Wembley is OK once in a while, but every other week wouldn't really suit me.
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Is right. A stadium needs atmosphere. A stadium needs to feel like your territory. Visiting teams should be more than "opposition". The are invaders who should be constantly reminded where they are for the duration. Everton can easily achieve that at 60k.
 
When Ryazantsev spoke about appointing Koeman in the summer he spoke of the importance of not falling behind our north west rivals in terms of stature of manager we have. So surely the same thinking will be behind the size of the new ground with the RS & city having around 55k-60k and Utd obviously having over 75k. Anything below 50k would firmly position us below those 3 for the next 100 years.
 
The Esk said:
Nice article @catcherintherye, well researched.

60,000 seems to be the figure the club is aiming at, and I'm pretty sure that figure will have been well stress tested in terms of ability to fill/near fill, numbers of premium seats, affordability for regular seats and ultimately return on investment.

The key to return on investment and affordabulitt of regular seats is the ratio of premium seats filled to regular seats.

If 10% of tge capacity can be sold at 10x the yield of a regular seat then premium seating accounts for slightly more than 50% of match day revenues.

Will be fascinating when this is all disclosed in due course.
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Maybe I'm very wrong here but I don't see "premium" seating or corporate/hospitality or whatever you want to call it being as big a draw as it say at OT or in particular the Emirates. Evertonians go to watch the football because we support the team. We don't go to be wined and dined. And I like that.

I just think we're not really that kind of club.
 

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