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Newcastle Utd (and Viz)

ClausThomsen said:
It's more the "If I was a Newcastle fan I'd be outraged / done with the club" shouts that are going on.

Those same individuals would be bending over backwards to celebrate, make excuses and indulge in whataboutery if Everton were in that situation. They'll speak only positively about where the money behind Everton has come from. But they also speak with righteous moral indignation about sportwashing when it comes to other clubs.

The same way we've seen the RS suddenly becoming ultra eco-aware and sensitive to the historical importance and heritage of Bramley Moore Docks.

It's the ones who've been on the verge of being done with football for God knows how long now. They're always on the cusp of turning their back on the cesspit that English football has become. And then something slightly exciting or positive involving their club happens and those concerns seemingly evaporate only to return when the form dips or a rival club looks to be benefiting from exactly the same thing.

It's tribalism and envy hiding behind morality.
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Is it bollocks. There's not one Evertonian who wouldn't rather have a world where an Evertonian was in charge instead of Moshiri and we could compete, not a single one.

The difference is whilst we can stomach Moshiri, what's happening at Newcastle is a whole other level of horrendous - actual murderers now run an English Premier League club; provable murderers. I don't 'envy' that; I find it horrifying.

Moshiri taking over Everton diminished my love of the game. I understood why it was necessary, but it did nevertheless. I hold no ill will to Moshiri, it's a toy set, all the clubs are now for these owners, but it's destroyed what football was.
 
Tubey said:
Is it bollocks. There's not one Evertonian who wouldn't rather have a world where an Evertonian was in charge instead of Moshiri and we could compete, not a single one.

The difference is whilst we can stomach Moshiri, what's happening at Newcastle is a whole other level of horrendous - actual murderers now run an English Premier League club; provable murderers. I don't 'envy' that; I find it horrifying.

Moshiri taking over Everton diminished my love of the game. I understood why it was necessary, but it did nevertheless. I hold no ill will to Moshiri, it's a toy set, all the clubs are now for these owners, but it's destroyed what football was.
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Having an Evertonian in charge with the funds to compete would indeed be very nice but it's not actually a thing is it? The same way a multi-billionaire Geordie hasn't materialised. I'd love to have an all Scouse XI coming through the academy and sweeping up every trophy but it's not gonna happen is it?

I'm not criticising everybody who rightfully calls out the Newcastle takeover. I'm criticising the more hypocritical element of the fanbase who are riding their high horses into the baying mobs of horsepunchers but at the same time would actively love that kind of money being pumped into Everton. The one's who get defensive when something negative is mentioned about Usmanov.

To think those same people wouldn't find a way of rationalising, justifying and ultimately celebrating the same thing happening at Everton is pure fantasy. They'd find a few billion ways to stomach that the same way we've all found a way to stomach Usmanov.
 

ClausThomsen said:
I'm criticising the more hypocritical element of the fanbase who are riding their high horses into the baying mobs of horsepunchers but at the same time would actively love that kind of money being pumped into Everton. The one's who get defensive when something negative is mentioned about Usmanov.
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There's been plenty of money pumped into Everton!
 
We are going to get another round of “ who’s the bigger club” guff aren’t we. Talksport will probably start soon enough.

I never cared much for them or disliked them , the “scouse Mackems” jibe they throw does amuse me
 

Maybe I'm missing something but hasn't ffp essentially stopped owners from throwing around cash? All these memes of Newcastle signing £1Bn worth of players us surely pie in the sky? I'm sure they can probably do what Moshiri did, wipe any debt and make it so any revenue is available for players. But unless they blatantly ignore ffp or premier league profit and loss rules, they can't do what City did in 2008 and just throw money about.

Also I think we have seen first hand that without a good manager and a coherent plan money doesn't always make a difference
 
You don't need to have any ill will towards Newcastle (fans, as a football club per se) - it's just not about this. It's exactly what Barney Ronay said - the takeover by a murderous regime bent on sportswashing. Frankly I think every right minded individual should be concerned with this outrageous state of affairs - bearing in mind the Saudi regimes history of Human Rights Abuses, LGBT and Women's rights, murder of Khashoggi, crimes against Humanity in the Yemen.. What can we do?

Make Newcastle United and their owners feel totally unwanted and unloved in every single away ground they turn up at in the future - continuously from start to finish - they might stop us displaying banners but they can't stop our voices.
 
Their turnover at the moment is about the same as ours, though their FFP picture isn’t as stark as ours and can invest a fair bit scope wise, but coming from a fairly low base from a player quality point of view, so more to do. Thing to keep an eye on here is if, when or how their commercial revenue grows.

Elsewise this is the Eastern oil sovereign countries, diversifying assets, they and the whole world know that oil is a goner in a few short years, they are diversifying assets and investing in different business now, they are their for the long term. Will PL clubs, be it Everton, Newcastle be worth more in 20 years time than today, without absolute question they definitely will. The rich, stay rich.
 
Anyone remember that old TV show on Sky called Dreamteam. When the rich owner bought the club then got all these crap players who where the owners mates to play for the club. I’m hoping.
 

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