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Newcastle Utd (and Viz)

EverTheOptimist said:
I did read a few months after the job there was discontent over Bruce's training methods, most of his training was 11 a side and hardly any ball work and so far away from Rafael's intensive tactical work on the training pitch, hopefully this footballing dinosaur never graces another dugout in the PL.
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The odd thing is, Bruce got the same performance level as Benitez. I genuinely think they could go down if they appoint Howe, which let's face it the whole world would find funny.
 
Theoneandonly said:
So Rafas win rate was better.

What about all the other stats which Bruce was 19th and 20th in for the last 3 seasons.
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Benitezs win rate was better, but only marginally so (in the PL).

And they finished above the same places in the league.

So either Benitez is a fraud, or Bruce is a better manager than people give him credit for. I am increasingly of the view it's the latter

Whats without credence though, is to say Benitez performed much better in the role. He didnt. He happened to have a much better PR team.
 
catcherintherye said:
Benitezs win rate was better, but only marginally so (in the PL).

And they finished above the same places in the league.

So either Benitez is a fraud, or Bruce is a better manager than people give him credit for. I am increasingly of the view it's the latter

Whats without credence though, is to say Benitez performed much better in the role. He didnt. He happened to have a much better PR team.
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No he performed better. Look at the full picture.

Rafael took over the club in free fall, which had been destroyed by McClaren and were all but relegated. Bruce took over a club which had consecutively finished mid-table in the Premier league for 2 seasons and had a top 8 level defence and had started to be rebuilt by Rafael. Bruce then spent mode money than Rafael, to finish in a worse position. Rafael left Newcastle in top 8 level form. Bruce has left Newcastle in 19th without a win all season.
 
Theoneandonly said:
No he performed better. Look at the full picture.

Rafael took over the club in free fall, which had been destroyed by McClaren and were all but relegated. Bruce took over a club which had consecutively finished mid-table in the Premier league for 2 seasons and had a top 8 level defence and had started to be rebuilt by Rafael. Bruce then spent mode money than Rafael, to finish in a worse position. Rafael left Newcastle in top 8 level form. Bruce has left Newcastle in 19th without a win all season.
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You mean the full picture from a benitez biased point of view?
 
catcherintherye said:
Benitezs win rate was better, but only marginally so (in the PL).

And they finished above the same places in the league.

So either Benitez is a fraud, or Bruce is a better manager than people give him credit for. I am increasingly of the view it's the latter

Whats without credence though, is to say Benitez performed much better in the role. He didnt. He happened to have a much better PR team.
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It's almost like you're debating with that PR team right now.
 

Theoneandonly said:
No he performed better. Look at the full picture.

Rafael took over the club in free fall, which had been destroyed by McClaren and were all but relegated. Bruce took over a club which had consecutively finished mid-table in the Premier league for 2 seasons and had a top 8 level defence and had started to be rebuilt by Rafael. Bruce then spent mode money than Rafael, to finish in a worse position. Rafael left Newcastle in top 8 level form. Bruce has left Newcastle in 19th without a win all season.
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You are putting an awful lot of interpretation in, in place of what happened intrinsically. Which is fine, and opinions are fine, but they are not facts.

Benitez took over a team that was outside of the relegation zone, when games were equalised. A team that had been mid table before that. He took them down. They sacked McLaren as he was ear the relegation zone, it was a big shock when they went down.

When he brought them up, they got the same points as Bruce and finished lower mid table both seasons. They were a lower mid table team. Bruce has kept them at lower mid table in the 2 full seasons he has been there.

Those are the key intrinsic points. You can make a number of other points and opinions as context to it, but to argue they have gone backwards under Bruce is not true. He did an equivalent job as Benitez.

Reminds me a bit of Allardyce here. On the face of it, did a good job, but he was an objectionable person who didnt know how to play the game.

Your argument that Benitez left them top 8 when they finished 18th, 12th and 10th under him is ludicrous I'm afraid. I believe they were 12th in that final season, and flirted with relegation for most of it. Trying to re-write history doesnt do anyone any good.

Either Benitez is overrated, Bruce is underrated or a bit of both.
 
Just seen on Twitter that Steve Bruce is a Slum Landlord, he brought eviction proceedings against a tenen,t single mother on two, while he claimed civil restitutionary rental arrears, the mother's 2 children where hospitalised with Eczema due to the Mould and damp in the property and the mother fell back on payments.

I hoping this compensation money goes to fixing the damp in those flats he owns.
 
EverTheOptimist said:
Just seen on Twitter that Steve Bruce is a Slum Landlord, he brought eviction proceedings against a tenen,t single mother on two, while he claimed civil restitutionary rental arrears, the mother's 2 children where hospitalised with Eczema due to the Mould and damp in the property and the mother fell back on payments.

I hoping this compensation money goes to fixing the damp in those flats he owns.
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Do you think Steve was knocking on the doors every Friday of the flats he owned, demanding the £100.00 weekly rent gets paid?

Maybe that's why Newcastle were so bad, because Bruce was too busy on a Friday trying to get his rent.
 

EverTheOptimist said:
Just seen on Twitter that Steve Bruce is a Slum Landlord, he brought eviction proceedings against a tenen,t single mother on two, while he claimed civil restitutionary rental arrears, the mother's 2 children where hospitalised with Eczema due to the Mould and damp in the property and the mother fell back on payments.

I hoping this compensation money goes to fixing the damp in those flats he owns.
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You ought to know all about clubs that evict people.
 
The treatment of Bruce leaves a sour taste, he's been in football a long time, had a very successful playing career and has been managing ever since. He may not be Pep but I hater the way they get treated by media and fans, they are people at the end of the day.
 
Terrarian said:
The treatment of Bruce leaves a sour taste, he's been in football a long time, had a very successful playing career and has been managing ever since. He may not be Pep but I hater the way they get treated by media and fans, they are people at the end of the day.
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He’s a multi millionaire that’s undoubtedly become significantly richer as a result of being sacked (again).

Zero sympathy from me.
 

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