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Kev The Rat said:
Like I said above - people would never get sacked in your theoretical rampant malpractice - and they’d all be at home on full pay. So they’re making out either way.
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The case (I think) you’re referring to is an EAT: Lafferty v Nuffield health 2020.

The reason why the sacking was deemed correct is because the employer had considered all alternatives & Suspension on full pay was not reasonable because of the employer’s charitable status, particularly as Mr L was unable to say at the time of his dismissal when the criminal trial would take place.

Side note: He got his job back after (as agreed during the appeal process)

Just thought people might find it interesting
 
4737carlin said:
But then if he never challenged it when is there no case to answer now, I find that odd, maybe she was of legal age afterall, nobody is thinking about that, we just dont know.
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There's hundreds and thousands of reasons why a case like this doesn't go to trial.

They need a smoking gun confirming he was aware of her age at the time.

None of this changes the fact that he never denied what he did, just what he knew at the time and that's a much harder barrier to pass than simply proving he did something.
 
sd_1992 said:
Something something innocent until proven guilty…

Otherwise can you really say that you are innocent of it as a court hasn’t cleared you?

Rightly or wrongly the system works how it works and in this country you are innocent until convicted of a crime.
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Yes which is right by the law.

But yes your second sentence is what I'm referring to. There can't be an innocent or guilty "tag" onto it becuase there hasn't been a case to answer to in the eyes of the CPS threshold. It doesn't mean he's done anything wrong, it doesn't mean he's not done anything wrong, we don't know. I'm not suggesting in any way either guilty or innocent, just that not being charged doesn't mean that the individual is completely innocent, just that there isn't enough evidence of any allegation to prosecute.

I thought my sweet shop analogy was decent enough to make the point. Maybe not.

For the record, I dont steal from sweet shops. lol
 

Eggsyblueskin said:
One of the reasons capital punishment should never return is that people who share your understanding of the difference between guilt and innocence may be on the jury.
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Bit of a nothing comment really, if we were on the jury (if there was one, in this case there hasn't been one) we would be being presented with facts and accounts and we would have to follow the law to decide one or the other. Guilt doesn't even come into it. I could feel guilty of doing something, it is irrelevant to whether im innocent or guilty.

Connor isn't saying that he isn't innocent by law. He's saying that just because he's innocent by law doesn't mean something hasn't gone on and likewise it doesn't mean anything had gone on.
 
Efcjake said:
There's hundreds and thousands of reasons why a case like this doesn't go to trial.

They need a smoking gun confirming he was aware of her age at the time.

None of this changes the fact that he never denied what he did, just what he knew at the time and that's a much harder barrier to pass than simply proving he did something.
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Not sure about that, if you have sex with a 15 year old does it matter if you no her age? im not sure it does.

I wonder if the full story will come out, it could be in the public interest, if only as a warning to others
 
Ruairi77 said:
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.
You cant be neither innocent nor guilty.
He hasn't been charged. Therefore he's innocent.
Your moral belief on his innocence is irrelevant.
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I think you might be as well.

And of course you can be neither Innocent or Guilty. You can commit a crime and be found to be Not Guilty.

Which is the main point here.

Innocence is a state of having not done something. Guilty or Not Guilty are pleas/outcomes to a case, regardless of Innocence.

You are conflating Innocent and Not Guilty.

All @Connor was saying, and rightly so, is that just because a case was dropped, does not mean a crime wasn't committed.

The only moral statement made by either of us is made by you, claiming his innocence in the absence of proof either way.

All we know is there was an allegation, and not enough evidence to move on with an expensive case.

He is free all the same.

Im just glad he doesnt play for us any more.
 

Paul Rideout said:
The case (I think) you’re referring to is an EAT: Lafferty v Nuffield health 2020.

The reason why the sacking was deemed correct is because the employer had considered all alternatives & Suspension on full pay was not reasonable because of the employer’s charitable status, particularly as Mr L was unable to say at the time of his dismissal when the criminal trial would take place.

Side note: He got his job back after (as agreed during the appeal process)

Just thought people might find it interesting
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Just to be quite clear about this, Nuffield decided to give him his job back, the courts didnt force them to take him back, far from it:

Mr Lafferty sued for unfair dismissal in the Employment Tribunal, which found that he had been fairly dismissed. Although he lost his case in the Employment Tribunal, Mr Lafferty was ultimately reinstated but appealed to the Employment Appeal Tribunal because Nuffield Health refused to pay him for the period between his dismissal and reinstatement.

He didnt get the back pay either.

He lost the case all ends up.
 
Kev The Rat said:
Nuffueld decided to give him his job back, the courts didnt force them to take him back, far from it:

Mr Lafferty sued for unfair dismissal in the Employment Tribunal, which found that he had been fairly dismissed. Although he lost his case in the Employment Tribunal, Mr Lafferty was ultimately reinstated but appealed to the Employment Appeal Tribunal because Nuffield Health refused to pay him for the period between his dismissal and reinstatement.

He didnt get the back pay either.

He lost the case.
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Did I say the courts forced him? No
Did I say he won the case? No

Did I explain why he didn’t win back pay? Yes

scraselaw.com

Is it fair to dismiss an employee who is charged with a criminal offence?

Is it reasonable for an employer to dismiss an employee who has been charged with a criminal offence that has the potential to cause reputational damage?
scraselaw.com scraselaw.com
 
Kever10 said:
I think you might be as well.

And of course you can be neither Innocent or Guilty. You can commit a crime and be found to be Not Guilty.

Which is the main point here.

Innocence is a state of having not done something. Guilty or Not Guilty are pleas/outcomes to a case, regardless of Innocence.

You are conflating Innocent and Not Guilty.

All @Connor was saying, and rightly so, is that just because a case was dropped, does not mean a crime wasn't committed.

The only moral statement made by either of us is made by you, claiming his innocence in the absence of proof either way.

All we know is there was an allegation, and not enough evidence to move on with an expensive case.

He is free all the same.

Im just glad he doesnt play for us any more.
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This is spot on, especially the bolded
 
4737carlin said:
They might be, but in law he is innnocent, thats it.

What i find strange in all this is how many people seem to be gutted he hasnt been found guilty, not because they feel sorry for the girl, or his wife, they just want him to be guilty so they can moan about him, its almost like some were looking forward to it and now cant accept he is innocent
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Who's gutted he hasn't been found guilty?

I see people discussing the difference between being innocent by law and actual innocence, which are different things. I haven't seen anyone celebrating or being disgusted by the fact there hasn't been a charge brought.

Unless I've missed a few posts, with my eyes these days is likely.
 

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