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We're two wins from top half. We're not in March and being cut adrift. Any new manager has the same set of players until January. Get in the manager we want now for long term not a bloody stop gap to start all again in summer.
brieverton
Player Valuation: £50m
They were caught completely unprepared for such a dramatic fall off in form.
You could argue we all were, but the board are our custodians, it’s their job to be ready.
Koeman was sacked weeks too late also, we could already have gained a few points under a replacement and thingsmay have been looking better.
This is essentially why we are down to Allardyce / Dyche.
A club that made such a balls of its single biggest spend was never going to have contingency plans for a manager.
They could have been trying to meet Tuchel or someone else on the QT in advance of the decision to sack Koeman.
Our reputation stands at a new low and anyone of high quality doesn’t want to be associated with that.
I must admit to being in the dark about some aspects of Allardyce and the impact he leaves on a club. Fair enough, I respect those concerns expressed by folk here who care like me about the club.
With each shambolic defeat though, we fall deeper into the mire. Rather not have Sam here but feel we are genuinely gambling with our PL status if we don’t get someone in who is used to things at this end of the table.
Don’t torture yourselves with Ancelotti, Tuchel etc. They are not coming here. I flip between Allardyce and Dyche every day and it’s a hideous choice, no choice at all.
I’d be as confident as I could be in staying up with Sam but his would be an appointment that carries huge baggage.
I’m not sure that Dyche would keep us up. Perhaps. Hell it doesn’t take much to be Everton manager these days.
What this is in fact is chickens coming home to roost for Kenwright and a final reflection of 18 years of rank amateurishness and incompetence.
You could argue we all were, but the board are our custodians, it’s their job to be ready.
Koeman was sacked weeks too late also, we could already have gained a few points under a replacement and thingsmay have been looking better.
This is essentially why we are down to Allardyce / Dyche.
A club that made such a balls of its single biggest spend was never going to have contingency plans for a manager.
They could have been trying to meet Tuchel or someone else on the QT in advance of the decision to sack Koeman.
Our reputation stands at a new low and anyone of high quality doesn’t want to be associated with that.
I must admit to being in the dark about some aspects of Allardyce and the impact he leaves on a club. Fair enough, I respect those concerns expressed by folk here who care like me about the club.
With each shambolic defeat though, we fall deeper into the mire. Rather not have Sam here but feel we are genuinely gambling with our PL status if we don’t get someone in who is used to things at this end of the table.
Don’t torture yourselves with Ancelotti, Tuchel etc. They are not coming here. I flip between Allardyce and Dyche every day and it’s a hideous choice, no choice at all.
I’d be as confident as I could be in staying up with Sam but his would be an appointment that carries huge baggage.
I’m not sure that Dyche would keep us up. Perhaps. Hell it doesn’t take much to be Everton manager these days.
What this is in fact is chickens coming home to roost for Kenwright and a final reflection of 18 years of rank amateurishness and incompetence.
Eggsyblueskin
Player Valuation: £40m
And the appointment of Allardyce will raise the collective morale of the club?
If the only solution to our current malaise is a maggot like Allardyce then Everton Football Club is already finished.
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MickA
Player Valuation: £10m
Thought I'd do some extremely rough analysis seen as we're 20 games into the season. Compared it to Allardyce's first 10 games in charge of Sunderland and Palace and the conclusions are he certainly isn't the messiah but almost certainly is a very naughty boy.
EFC - W 6 - D 4 - L 10
CPFC/SAFC - W 6 - D 1 - L13
Could say that some of our games have been against easier opponents, equally we're dealing with 2 games a week. Just thought it interesting that the new manager bounce doesn't seem to be there with him.
Extrapolating those trends to our current season we'll be nearly at NYE with about 17 points or so which is very roughly where we were under Joe in 94/95 at that stage.
EFC - W 6 - D 4 - L 10
CPFC/SAFC - W 6 - D 1 - L13
Could say that some of our games have been against easier opponents, equally we're dealing with 2 games a week. Just thought it interesting that the new manager bounce doesn't seem to be there with him.
Extrapolating those trends to our current season we'll be nearly at NYE with about 17 points or so which is very roughly where we were under Joe in 94/95 at that stage.
brieverton
Player Valuation: £50m
Just a point on Allardyce’ staff and talk of 15 appointees.
Manager
Asst Manager
1st team coach
Fitness coach
GK coach.
That would leave another 10. I know he brings sports scientists / psychologists etc but these are par for the course at every club no?
Surely these are either part-time or employed on a sub-contractual basis?
It also begs the question of the people already doing these jobs at the club.
If we have a sports psychologist I’d be checking again to see what his/her credentials are.
Manager
Asst Manager
1st team coach
Fitness coach
GK coach.
That would leave another 10. I know he brings sports scientists / psychologists etc but these are par for the course at every club no?
Surely these are either part-time or employed on a sub-contractual basis?
It also begs the question of the people already doing these jobs at the club.
If we have a sports psychologist I’d be checking again to see what his/her credentials are.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
He's a bluffer. Just in th game now to take cash off the gullible.
He must look at that idiot Moshiri and rub his hands.
kenada_blue
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At least Big Sam gets results out of any shower.
And honestly think he'd do well long term.
The other name for me is Eddie Howe. But he's not in the running.
Dave if we get him or anyone like that it's a farce. Really it's giving me sleepless nights this new manager lark.
Spot on mate, whatever Tuchel wants give it to him and keys make a statement that we aren't a no mark club ran by a gang of no marks
He does his job by keeping you up but in that process he cripples your club, your playing style, your finances and splits what's already a torn fan base. He's not no long term manager unless every year just want to sustain.
kenada_blue
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Like who? Dyche success is at a club he's been with 5 years. Massive punt and how is he not different from Big Sam in terms of football?
Tuchel I don't even think is in the running.
Tuchel if he's available he is far better than any of the others. Come to mind I probably am. Allardayce, dyche? Even saying there names makes me sick
Now that we're out of Europe, whoever the new boss is needs to pick a settled team and stick with it
kenada_blue
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Isn't that due to the jobs being offered? Long term he put Bolton into Europe. Two years he got Blackburn into a cup semi after selling key players to balance books.
If he's remit is to keep a club up, he did that. Which is why based on rumours he wants a long deal with assurances.
Separate the man from his job and what he's done, he's very good at.
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