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Next manager discussion (poll reset 21/05/2016)

Who would you want?

  • Frank de Boer

    Votes: 302 17.0%

  • David Moyes

    Votes: 56 3.2%

  • Manuel Pellegrini

    Votes: 152 8.6%

  • Ronald Koeman

    Votes: 286 16.1%

  • Other (please state below)

    Votes: 109 6.1%

  • Unai Emery

    Votes: 870 49.0%
  • Total voters
    1,775
  • Poll closed .
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FriendlySaint said:
One result doesn't define a season. We beat Arsenal, City, United, Chelsea, Spurs and the scousers, it doesn't mean we have a better squad than them.
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It is an interesting question.
I think the answer hinges on Stones and Lukaku. As we all know they may leave or they may stay. If we list the key players including these two then I think Everton have a much stronger core to the squad than Southampton.
Baines, Stones, Jagielka, Lukaku, Lennon, McCarthy, Barry, Deulofeu, Barkley, Coleman, Funes Mori. That is a strong base to work from and absolutely it does need at least another four or five top players to make it a squad that can challenge.

There is another consideration which Southampton fans are probably not aware of but certainly would appreciate ...and that is the quality of youngster coming up from the academy.

Southampton are as good as anybody at producing very good young players...not so good at keeping them however.
Koeman did say last season that there really were none up to the level of playing first team football and he was criticised for not giving youth a chance.

At the moment Everton are in a phenomenal moment of producing young players(to paraphrase somebody or other)
Browning, Galloway, Kenny, Pennington, Connolly , Dowell and Davies all got first team experience last season and some of these are very good prospects indeed.

It keeps being pointed out on this forum and to be fair most pundits recognised it last season that Everton should have done much better with the players available to the manager....after all that is why RM lost his job and I think it is also the reason that Koeman decided to leave one club and join another.

That is not to put down the Southampton players down in any way and there are a few we would love to have at Goodison.
 
Loads of Southampton fans around, maybe we can create a special sub-forum for them?

Any name suggestions? Maybe The Championship in preparation for 2017/18?

Seriously though you can foam at the mouth all you want about how you're on a par with Everton, but we showed up to your party uninvited and left with your missus.

Deal with it.
 
FriendlySaint said:
There is no perfect measure of how good a squad is, but surely the team that performed the best over 38 games, had the best squad last season. You can measure a squad by expense, reputation, expectation, but surely performance is the best one?
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"The best" doesn't mean "good" though.

There is no hard and fast single metric that can accurately measure the quality of a squad. League position, as illustrated, certainly can't. And not in the relatively short span of 38 games. It simply isn't enough data. If you could look at it over 5 seasons or so you might start to get an idea, but unfortunately squads change so much over that span that it wouldn't be relevant.

An aggregation of a mix of subjective and objective analysis from knowledgeable individuals is a far better way of trying to assess (not necessarily putting myself or anyone here in that bracket btw) a squad's "strength" - and the common consensus is that Everton's squad quite seriously underperformed last season while Southampton either over performed or performed right at the top end of their capability. The best evidence of this? Everton's manager rightly lost his job, while the Southampton manager is (or at least was until the stories started) fêted by Southampton fans and football observers, and sought after by other clubs with ambition to improve.
 
blueblue said:
It is an interesting question.
I think the answer hinges on Stones and Lukaku. As we all know they may leave or they may stay. If we list the key players including these two then I think Everton have a much stronger core to the squad than Southampton.
Baines, Stones, Jagielka, Lukaku, Lennon, McCarthy, Barry, Deulofeu, Barkley, Coleman, Funes Mori. That is a strong base to work from and absolutely it does need at least another four or five top players to make it a squad that can challenge.

There is another consideration which Southampton fans are probably not aware of but certainly would appreciate ...and that is the quality of youngster coming up from the academy.

Southampton are as good as anybody at producing very good young players...not so good at keeping them however.
Koeman did say last season that there really were none up to the level of playing first team football and he was criticised for not giving youth a chance.

At the moment Everton are in a phenomenal moment of producing young players(to paraphrase somebody or other)
Browning, Galloway, Kenny, Pennington, Connolly , Dowell and Davies all got first team experience last season and some of these are very good prospects indeed.

It keeps being pointed out on this forum and to be fair most pundits recognised it last season that Everton should have done much better with the players available to the manager....after all that is why RM lost his job and I think it is also the reason that Koeman decided to leave one club and join another.

That is not to put down the Southampton players down in any way and there are a few we would love to have at Goodison.
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Don't ever, EVER do that again.
 

Boredofthedeluded said:
I think I should frame this and send it out to the football world to have a vote on who's better at this current time. Everyone who doesn't support or like Everton will vote for the latter (Tadic and Mane), even some (Sane, non-deluded) Everton fans would vote for the latter. Just because Everton were average the last two seasons doesn't mean you can just completely wipe it from history, anyone who'd watched the premier league the last two seasons and has a good grasp on the game will say Tadic and Mane are better players than Deulofeu and Mirallas at this present time.

When someone says "End of" at the end of a post, it normally shows that they're generally wrong and have no proof or facts to back up their statement.
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Well first the end of was to annoy the person I was posting to. Next to sit there and say there are any facts that would prove one player is better then the other without a doubt is simply not true. I always say in this game the marriage of statistical analysis and instrumental reason is a marriage made in hell. Finally on to the subject of the players Mirallas was not used by Martinez partly due to what he did but I would say that if he started all the games he could have then he would have a better season and even with the season as it panned out I'd still take our two not because of blue tinted glasses but the reason that Mane is a slightly better version of Bolasie and Tadic* is the worst player of all time. End of. Fact!






*(secretly I think he's good and wanted him before he went to you all)
 
no swearing thank you
CahillsCornerFlag said:
Any saints fan care to share what they think their strongest XI is? Got a feeling I rate some of their lot higher than ours. Lot of our players are overrated.
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Forster
Cedric, Fonte, Van Dijk, Bertrand
Wanyama, Clasie
Mane, Davis, Tadic
Long or Pelle

Who would I take from the Everton squad? Coleman, Barkley and Lukaku without a doubt. Stones is debatable really as Fonte and Van Dijk seemed to work together extremely well. The idea that Gareth Barry is a better player than Wanyama is f*****g mental.
 
Boredofthedeluded said:
I think I should frame this and send it out to the football world to have a vote on who's better at this current time. Everyone who doesn't support or like Everton will vote for the latter (Tadic and Mane), even some (Sane, non-deluded) Everton fans would vote for the latter. Just because Everton were average the last two seasons doesn't mean you can just completely wipe it from history, anyone who'd watched the premier league the last two seasons and has a good grasp on the game will say Tadic and Mane are better players than Deulofeu and Mirallas at this present time.

When someone says "End of" at the end of a post, it normally shows that they're generally wrong and have no proof or facts to back up their statement.
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Mané and Tadic are both massively hit and miss, but so are Deulofeu and (particularly) Mirallas. I think in terms of talent it's pretty even to be honest, but looking at recent performances, the two Saints lads have definitely been playing better.

However, we've not been "average" for the last two seasons - we've been way below that. Which is why the manager lost his job.
 

CahillsCornerFlag said:
Any saints fan care to share what they think their strongest XI is? Got a feeling I rate some of their lot higher than ours. Lot of our players are overrated.
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Going on the last two seasons

-----------Forster---------
Coleman-Fonte-VVD-Bertrand
-----Wanyama-Davis-------
Mane----Barkley----Tadic
----------Lukaku----------

Long unlucky not to be in from his form last 6 months but I can't not put Lukaku in and he's not very effective on the wing

Stones has potential to be better than Fonte but at the moment on present form he is simply not as good as a defender, yet
 
Gents, if you'd like to start an Everton or Saints thread that's fine by me, but we're getting large amounts of traffic on this thread looking for news on the Koeman situation and they're having to wade through a pile of stuff which whilst interesting is off-topic.

Please stick to the management situation, other discussions can be had elsewhere or in a new thread.

Thanks
 
The Blue Watch said:
Loads of Southampton fans around, maybe we can create a special sub-forum for them?

Any name suggestions? Maybe The Championship in preparation for 2017/18?

Seriously though you can foam at the mouth all you want about how you're on a par with Everton, but we showed up to your party uninvited and left with your missus.

Deal with it.
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Trouble is we still haven't given her one have we?
 
The Esk said:
Gents, if you'd like to start an Everton or Saints thread that's fine by me, but we're getting large amounts of traffic on this thread looking for news on the Koeman situation and they're having to wade through a pile of stuff which whilst interesting is off-topic.

Please stick to the management situation, other discussions can be had elsewhere or in a new thread.

Thanks
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Any news today Esk, if you don't mind me asking
 

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