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NFL Thread 2018

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TheBigIguana said:
No. Rodgers is far and away the best. Mike McCarthy refusing to adjust his offense since 2015 has clouded people's judgment these last few years but Rodgers can do things consistently that most QBs can't do ever. I can only remember games back to 2006ish but I'd go Rodgers, Manning a gap to Brady, Brees etc. Manning from 2002-2006 was the undisputed best player in the league and did a lot to move the league to a shotgun first system. He was revolutionary because he was so good. Then he threw 50 TDs 10 years later. Rodgers was unreal from 2010-2015 and then as I said the offense got to stale. But those two both had 5 year runs where they were clearly the best. Brady and Brees haven't had that.

Edit: Obviously I'm not totally firsthand on the Manning thing but I've seen him play enough to know how good he was based on the numbers he put up in that era.
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HC notwithstanding, he’s had as much or more talent to work with as Brady has.
 
SerenityNigh said:
HC notwithstanding, he’s had as much or more talent to work with as Brady has.
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Coaching matters. A lot. You can't look at player performance and not factor in what the coaching has done to help or hurt the situation. In Brady's case he has the best of all time, a guy who won 11 games with Cassel and if I had to guess will win after Brady too. Rodgers had McCarthy who was good early but never changed his system and could never manage a game either. The 2015 NFC Championship is the worst coaching performance in history. All of that has to be taken into account and to me is more important than saying oh well Brady had Gronk and Moss.
 

Every drive the Pats are getting 3-4 yards, and it's gonna kill the Chiefs, they'll eat away at the clock, and if they get a TD, it could be curtains.
 
TheBigIguana said:
Coaching matters. A lot. You can't look at player performance and not factor in what the coaching has done to help or hurt the situation. In Brady's case he has the best of all time, a guy who won 11 games with Cassel and if I had to guess will win after Brady too. Rodgers had McCarthy who was good early but never changed his system and could never manage a game either. The 2015 NFC Championship is the worst coaching performance in history. All of that has to be taken into account and to me is more important than saying oh well Brady had Gronk and Moss.
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Hot take: Hernandez was better than Gronk

Also, don’t think Brady won with Moss
 

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