no punishment for henry

[monty]

You could argue that FIFA support cheating by not having a process in place to retrospectively punish players for individual incidents - they could have players being cited for certain infringements like in rugby, but choose not to - so the system is that it's all down to the officials on the day. Like it or not, that's the system & it would be wrong to make an exception for one player & not for others, but maybe it's time that they reviewed the current arrangements.

The very fact that provisions of that nature have not been put in place only serve to underline their overt ineptitude when dealing with this matter. Henry cheated an entire nation out of World cup participation and FIFA are now complicit in that fraud.

 

[monty]

If you punish Henry then you have to punish EVERYONE that cheats. You could probably point to a handful of incidents every game, the question is where do you draw the line?

Take this example... Let's say Gallas handled the ball on the goal line at the other end, denying Ireland a clear second goal to put them through. Ireland get a penalty and Gallas gets sent off. But then Keane misses the penalty and France end up going through. Gallas clearly wins in this situation. He'll miss the first game of the World Cup but he's a national hero. So should Gallas then be punished further?

Gallas did nothing but Henry did, he is a cheat nothing else describes his action, say what you like Adam he remains a cheat and one that has prospered from his fraud.

 

[DENNIS STEVENS]

The very fact that provisions of that nature have not been put in place only serve to underline their overt ineptitude when dealing with this matter. Henry cheated an entire nation out of World cup participation and FIFA are now complicit in that fraud.

Indeed, some process for players who blatantly cheat being punished in retrospect, regardless of whether the officials have addressed the incident or not, is long overdue. However, it would not be appropriate to develop such a process on the hoof, as a knee-jerk reaction to a particular incident, & then to apply that process to an incident that occured prior to the introduction of the process.
What's happened to Ireland is much the same as happened to England in Mexico in 1986, & on a par with the Schumacher/Battiston incident along with many other footballing injustices - tbh, we could write a book just about those related to Everton! Yes, the player tried to gain an advantage by cheating & it's quite astonishing that none of the officials seemed to see the blatant handball, but you can't re-referee the match after it's finished.

 

[monty]

Indeed, some process for players who blatantly cheat being punished in retrospect, regardless of whether the officials have addressed the incident or not, is long overdue. However, it would not be appropriate to develop such a process on the hoof, as a knee-jerk reaction to a particular incident, & then to apply that process to an incident that occured prior to the introduction of the process.
What's happened to Ireland is much the same as happened to England in Mexico in 1986, & on a par with the Schumacher/Battiston incident along with many other footballing injustices - tbh, we could write a book just about those related to Everton! Yes, the player tried to gain an advantage by cheating & it's quite astonishing that none of the officials seemed to see the blatant handball, but you can't re-referee the match after it's finished.

What you say is correct Dennis but if they had acted over Maradona then a system would have been in place by now............and that would not have been kneejerking. After this announcement today no other action is proposed, its vacating responsiblity, leaving the sport wide open to corruption as refs do take back handers but no rather than act they do nothing but condone cheating

 

[Grogtank]

He will always be known as Thierry Handry to me. Tainted and stained. The sports marketers will remember him as a legend, fans like myself will laugh and say Thierry Handry.

 

[AdamTheGreatOneB]

Gallas did nothing but Henry did, he is a cheat nothing else describes his action, say what you like Adam he remains a cheat and one that has prospered from his fraud.

I understand what you're saying mate, but my point is cheating happens in almost every single game in some form or another, diving is the most common one. If Henry is punished then everyone should be punished. You can't just single out Henry because it was a high profile game.

 

[monty]

I understand what you're saying mate, but my point is cheating happens in almost every single game in some form or another, diving is the most common one. If Henry is punished then everyone should be punished. You can't just single out Henry because it was a high profile game.

But the authorites are supposedly clamping down on divers, shirt pullers and foul play but they condone this...................bottled it big time. What sort of message does this send to the kids, cheat and you'll get away with it....................sorry mate they have condoned blatant cheating..............if Maradona had been dealt with properly then there would have been procedures in place to act now but those with the power are impotent or down right corrupt themselves.

 

[AdamTheGreatOneB]

But the authorites are supposedly clamping down on divers, shirt pullers and foul play but they condone this...................bottled it big time. What sort of message does this send to the kids, cheat and you'll get away with it....................sorry mate they have condoned blatant cheating..............if Maradona had been dealt with properly then there would have been procedures in place to act now but those with the power are impotent or down right corrupt themselves.

Oh I agree with what you're saying monts. One thing they are useless at is punishing players in retrospect. They always say, "The referee dealt with it during the game so we can't act any further..." Why not is what I want to know?!!

They do need to start clamping down somewhere and doing it properly. They need to be consistant if they do this though and not pick and choose who they punish and who they don't.

 

[monty]

Oh I agree with what you're saying monts. One thing they are useless at is punishing players in retrospect. They always say, "The referee dealt with it during the game so we can't act any further..." Why not is what I want to know?!!

They do need to start clamping down somewhere and doing it properly. They need to be consistant if they do this though and not pick and choose who they punish and who they don't.

But Adam that is the glaring failure here............they have not only condone it but took no action to stop it happening again which is incredible. I suspect if France had lost in similar fashion then things would be different..................it is a shambles and FIFA is corrupt

 

[AdamTheGreatOneB]

But Adam that is the glaring failure here............they have not only condone it but took no action to stop it happening again which is incredible. I suspect if France had lost in similar fashion then things would be different..................it is a shambles and FIFA is corrupt

There's no doubting that. They changed the rules and seeded the play offs at the last minute to help the bigger countries get to the world cup and then turn a blind eye to the way France got there. Platini would have gone ballistic if it was the other way around.

 

[monty]

There's no doubting that. They changed the rules and seeded the play offs at the last minute to help the bigger countries get to the world cup and then turn a blind eye to the way France got there. Platini would have gone ballistic if it was the other way around.

That is right, this entire episode unlines the basic faults in the sport and they start at the top

 

[teppic]

Indeed, some process for players who blatantly cheat being punished in retrospect, regardless of whether the officials have addressed the incident or not, is long overdue. However, it would not be appropriate to develop such a process on the hoof, as a knee-jerk reaction to a particular incident, & then to apply that process to an incident that occured prior to the introduction of the process.
What's happened to Ireland is much the same as happened to England in Mexico in 1986, & on a par with the Schumacher/Battiston incident along with many other footballing injustices - tbh, we could write a book just about those related to Everton! Yes, the player tried to gain an advantage by cheating & it's quite astonishing that none of the officials seemed to see the blatant handball, but you can't re-referee the match after it's finished.

This.

 

[devonblue]

its one of them mate where everyone outside france hates him for that but if he did it for the country you support how would you honestly feel about what he did ?

its just a shame its come to this because he was a super footballer who i respected hugely but its tainted him now and sadly he will only be remembered for that rather than all the great goals and perfomances he did for both arsenal and france.


shame really

if it happened to england i would be happy for england but would expect the player to be punished and accept the punishment you can't condone cheating especially when it was so obvious.
can't punish the team

 

[Upper Sturry Sherbets]

Let's face it a World Cup without France wouldn't be much of a tournament, if I had the choice between the two from a strictly impartial standpoint, I would take them, with all due respect to the Irish, i'ts sort of like choosing between Bolivia and Argentina as a South American equivalent.

The result did stand, there was a lot of furore over it, but there's nothing nobody can do now, time to move on, there was a lot of talk comparing it to Maradona's 'picking of English wallets' in Mexico, but the latter was on a much grander scale, I don't think you can compare them, the Henry incident pales in comparison for me.

Having Platini and his minions overlooking the incident did not help one end, I might add, but he was a good player, saw him play live, I'll give him that.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Cheating happens in pretty much every match. This idea that football would be virtuous if only FIFA would suspend Henry is laughable.

What does make them laughable though for me is there constant refusal to accept video support for officials. Such usage in this instance would have stopped this there and then in a few seconds. It's not a difficult request as so many other sports have adopted the technology, yet FIFA remain adament that it will not work, for reasons it would seem only they know.