north korea launch missile

[NeoNaoNeo]

The debate is absurd. You're never going to stop Iran from building nuclear weapons while Israel has them.

North Korea, the tinpot nation who is the one desperately trying to kill everything in sight is what this thread is about, and what the UN should be focusing on.

Iran wouldn't attack Israel with a nuke. If you think that then you're insane, they know that with Israel being the US best buddy any attack on them constitutes total annihilation. MAD once again, but we only have ourselves to blame for making the ridiculous decision to put Israel there in the first place.

 

[NeoNaoNeo]

Yes, let's worry about the USA's nuclear capabilities when there are any number of countries/organizations that would just love to set one off in any major metropolitan area.

No-one is 'worried' about you nuking anyone. But taking the moral highground against Iran is lol.

 

[toffeestillidie]

The debate is absurd. You're never going to stop Iran from building nuclear weapons while Israel has them.

North Korea, the tinpot nation who is the one desperately trying to kill everything in sight is what this thread is about, and what the UN should be focusing on.

Iran wouldn't attack Israel with a nuke. If you think that then you're insane, they know that with Israel being the US best buddy any attack on them constitutes total annihilation. MAD once again, but we only have ourselves to blame for making the ridiculous decision to put Israel there in the first place.

good point, do people really think muslims would destory their own holy-land???

 

[ajax_andy]

I would hope so.

By reading the absolute rubbish in your reply above, only a bleeding heart liberal with no concept of the world we live in today would make the comments you did above.
Why because I dont tow the "party line" and believe everything the US government tell the world? The US government is the most corrupt and secretive shady government in the world!

War of provocation in Afghanistan? Hahahahahaha... !!!!

I'll make this simple for you.

Afghanistan harbors Taliban...Taliban harbors Al Qaeda...Al Qaeda attacks United States of America. And we were the provocateurs?
Al Qaeda attack the United States... strange how the US decided to turn a blind eye that day despite all the warnings dont ya think?

Oh on a side note why don't you ask the FBI who "done it"? They say that there is "no proof" that Bin Laden had anything to do with the attacks on 9/11. So how can you invade a country without proof of any wrong doing?.... ahh hold on a minute this is America were talking about... But it was ok to invade Iraq cause they had oil... erm I mean WMD's... oh no they didn't it was just oil after all.

You're having a laugh Andy. Please don't tell me we had no right to go in and take out the Taliban. You already look like a fool for your commentary above but that Iraq and Afghanistan comments really take the cake. When I hear spineless people tell me that the USA had "no right" to attack the Taliban, conversation ends. It tells me they aren't even willing to concede to basic logic and understanding.
Seems like your very passionate about your beliefs which i respect... I disagree with your opinion though

So you're saying we should have "negotiated" with them?
No. I think the US shouldn't have stirred up such hatred to start with in the middle east. Its like prodding a wasps nest with a stick and then wondering why a thousand wasps suddenly start stinging you!
The biggest threat to world peace isn't NK, Iran, China, Iraq... its the US of A



2900+ dead people say go *&^% yourself.
Try asking your government to look in to this properly and hold an independant enquiry as to what happened that day, rather then sweeping all inconsistencies under the carpet and be incredibly secretive as per usual.
BTW i'm not saying the loss of 2900 isn't extremely tragic or an appalling thing to happen, I just don't think the US government is being straight with those effected by this tragedy

Come back to us when you have something of substance vs. parroting liberal bull**** lines.
These are my own opinions... i'm not parroting anyone

"USA bent on world domination. War for oil. Halliburton. Chimpy McHitler Bush. Guantanamo. Abu Gharib. Blackwater."

You could have just said all of the above and been just as effective than parsing my post and responding to each comment. In short. Get educated. Get informed. Understand the world we live in. Then get back to us with when you have something of real substance to say.
I'm pretty sure I did mention most of these things in either the post your referring to or one previous.

But please save the liberal bile you just spewed above. No basis in fact at all.

You seem to be basing all your facts on what the government and mass media tell you to believe which says it all in my opinion.

 

[Dylan]

Yeap, everything is a conspiracy theory. And andy, I don't know if you realise, but 90% of 'mass media' is liberal, left-wing based.

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I have been thinking about the original topic about NK launching a missile.

I really don't care. We have proven we can shoot down ICBM's with the AEGIS system and SM-3. By the time NK/Iran can build nuke warheads and mount them on a missile capable of launching them, the system will be deployed widescale.

We will just sit a couple of Ticonderoga class cruisers off the coast of the respective countires and wait.

 

[ajax_andy]

Yeap, everything is a conspiracy theory. And andy, I don't know if you realise, but 90% of 'mass media' is liberal, left-wing based.

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Easy to dismiss things as a conspiracy theory, i'd prefer it to be seen as a lack of evidence to support the official story and suspicious supression of information.

The majority of media may be liberal left wing, but its still massively influenced by which ever government is in power.

 

[Dylan]

Take it you don't watch the news much then do you.

I am not going to go into detail over why 9/11 wasn't our governements fault as obviously you refuse to hear another side of the story.

Lets try and keep this thread back on topic of the OP.

 

[ajax_andy]

Take it you don't watch the news much then do you.

I am not going to go into detail over why 9/11 wasn't our governements fault as obviously you refuse to hear another side of the story.

Lets try and keep this thread back on topic of the OP.

Fair enough, however to say the government weren't at least even 1% at fault for 9/11 is a bit naive IMO.

Yeah back on topic anyway as someone else said there's no way anyone would be stupid enough to launch a nuke at another country as they'd get about 10 back almost immediately from one of that countries allies.

I think its all about flexing yer muscles and trying to be seen as the super power in that region.

 

[Nebbiolo]

Yeap, everything is a conspiracy theory. And andy, I don't know if you realise, but 90% of 'mass media' is liberal, left-wing based.

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I have been thinking about the original topic about NK launching a missile.

I really don't care. We have proven we can shoot down ICBM's with the AEGIS system and SM-3. By the time NK/Iran can build nuke warheads and mount them on a missile capable of launching them, the system will be deployed widescale.

We will just sit a couple of Ticonderoga class cruisers off the coast of the respective countires and wait.

There seems a slight liberal twist to the BBC. Other than that, I would say your statement is wrong. I mean, have you actually listened and watched media like NBC, CNN and Fox? These are hardly what I would consider liberal news providers.

I suppose here exists a distinct difference between a European and American take on things. Anything left of Obama, in my view, is where liberalism starts. Anything to the right of him, is where it begins to end.

*Note, I'm using liberal in the new sense, as meaning left of centre, not in the old sense, as meaning a vision of small-government. It seems the term "liberal" has changed in recent decades*

 

[gordonjblair]

There seems a slight liberal twist to the BBC. Other than that, I would say your statement is wrong. I mean, have you actually listened and watched media like NBC, CNN and Fox? These are hardly what I would consider liberal news providers.

I was fortunate enough to see a fair bit of the Fox coverage when the second Invasion of Iraq was about to kick off, as I was pinging in and out of FOBs we shared with our colonial cousins

Oh my God. THAT was not liberal

As I was flying out, BBC2 we're airing Holidays in the axis of evil (if you can find it on the net, it's worth a look up) and much play was made of the Propaganda TV aired on Iraqi tv. When I got in theatre, the only differentiation I could make between what I had seen of Iraqi TV coverage and Fox's run up to the war, was Fox had less of a slant on Belly dancing and bad music, the tone and hyperbole were the same.

One telling episode came at a FOB in Southern Kuwait where the little tv that was showing the BBC Coverage next to the 5 mega plasmas showing Fox was put on mute, because it was showing coverage on the anti-war protests in London. I was quite happy for my guys to see it and know that they would still be able to do their job, my opposite number in the USMC said that it would represent too much of a threat of a culture shock, and he wanted the tv turned off altogether (the mute was a compromise).

We've had this discussion (Tx and I especially) about the political leanings of the MSM on either side of the pond. I think to a certain extent, it depends on what your used to. If you grew up on Fox, the Beeb would all appear to be Commies, if you grew up on the Beeb, Fox appears to be produced and edited by J Goebbels esq.

 

[Gerard_Francis]

There seems a slight liberal twist to the BBC. Other than that, I would say your statement is wrong. I mean, have you actually listened and watched media like NBC, CNN and Fox? These are hardly what I would consider liberal news providers. *

Bill O'Reilly's fair & balanced views. Spent a few hours watching some of his rants on you tube, quite comical really

 

[davek]

Bill O'Reilly's fair & balanced views. Spent a few hours watching some of his rants on you tube, quite comical really

Sh1t for brains and his new McCarthyism are the most disgusting sight on tv. Fox and that evil cnut deserve each other.

 

[Gerard_Francis]

Sh1t for brains and his new McCarthyism are the most disgusting sight on tv. Fox and that evil cnut deserve each other.

Well said

 

[TX Bill]

You seem to be basing all your facts on what the government and mass media tell you to believe which says it all in my opinion.

And naturally you have the "inside information" that the rest of seem to lack.

Let me give you some organizations that if you're not already a member of, you'd fit right in:

1) Daily Kos
2) Democratic Underground
3) Move On
4) ACORN

Card carrying lefties all of them. You'd fit right in.

You were exactly right about one thing though. There were your opinions. I prefer to deal in facts. Not in opinions. Unfortunately, in our country, liberals are incapable of looking at the facts of any discussion and continue to apply that child like emotion to adult issues as you have done in your previous posts.

 

[TX Bill]

I think Neb hit it on the head when talking about what's "left" in Europe vs. what's "left" in the USA. In fact, that might have been a previous discussion thread awhile back if I'm not mistaken.

ABC, NBC, & CBS are most definitely left leaning (USA "left") while FOX is pretty much middle of the road.

However those on the left here in the USA accuse FOX of being on the right because they aren't used to a news organization that doesn't walk on the left side of the aisle in this country.

So to them, "fair and balanced" means "obviously shilling for the right."

But I could give you case after case after case of not only the major news networks, but the news outlets as well (AP especially egregious), New York Times, etc... slanting their news reporting with a left leaning bias. It's pretty much common knowledge here.