North Korea readying rockets to aim at U.S. targets

[steken1]

I agrre about liberating forces. But 'do-able in any situation if the will is strong enough' is a little insulting for those people who have suffered under utterly brutal regimes and have been unable to remove them, like the syrians or the burmese or the cambodians or the east european soviets or the german jews. All of whom gave it a good try, and I think would very much claim the will was there. But the weapons and manpower weren't.

Was there a real will in Nazi Germany to overthrow the government? Absolutely not. 99% had fallen for the pitch. That doesn't apply to what I'm talking about.

A lot of the eastern block states did eventually get there through the will of it's people. As will Syria.

Whether the Burmese are fighting against too strong a foe I can't say. Though in some scenario's liberation takes centuries more than decades and doesn't always have to come militarily. They're on that road through the will of it's people and the work of Aun Sang Sun Yi?

I don't know enough about Cambodia to comment.

I weren't talking about can they be arsed to get off the couch and do something. Perhaps I should have worded that a bit better. I meant reaching a critical mass of people all at a point where they can't be denied no matter what. All mass oppresed peoples reach that point eventually.

 

[Baines' left foot]

 

[TheFinnFan]

they only have their artillery. it is pretty huge and deadly (in range of Seoul)

todays warfare doesnt need army of 1,100,000 men

 

[cbpointblank]

todays warfare doesnt need army of 1,100,000 men

This. The days of massive pitched battles between enormous armies hundreds of thousands strong are essentially over, at least when it comes to fights between the standing militaries of nation states. Massing 100,000 troops in a big salient isn't a great idea when your opponent can carpet bomb them from 40,000 feet with B-52s, or better yet lob satellite-guided missiles from 20 miles offshore.

 

[Brennan]

It's up to them to liberate themselves mate. It's possible and do-able in any scenario if the will is strong enough.

Not really.

The North Korean people are being constantly inundated with propaganda against the west, telling them how awful the situation is in countries like the US and making NK seem like a paradise. Coupled with the lack of proper internet access and monitoring of people's movements and you can't possibly expect people to even know they need liberating, never mind set about doing it. You're coming at it from a Western mindset which doesn't fit.

 

[cbpointblank]

There's an amazing VICE documentary about North Korea, where they get a crew with hidden cameras into the country for sight-seeing trip. It's insane. They're accompanied by an official guide literally every minute of the trip. Everything is sanitized and run through the government propaganda machine. The people honestly think they live in a paradise on earth, and that everywhere else is terrible. They practically worship the Kims.

If you've never seen it, the whole thing is on YouTube under "VICE guide to North Korea". It's one of the creepiest things you'll ever see.

 

[steken1]

Not really.

The North Korean people are being constantly inundated with propaganda against the west, telling them how awful the situation is in countries like the US and making NK seem like a paradise. Coupled with the lack of proper internet access and monitoring of people's movements and you can't possibly expect people to even know they need liberating, never mind set about doing it. You're coming at it from a Western mindset which doesn't fit.

So they think life's peachy and we're all living it the ****. But you think we could go in and liberate them? Try ripping someone away from paradise forcibly and see how you get on?

A hell of a lot of Iraqi's hated Saddam but didn't like Yanks either and that's nowhere near liberated as we'll soon see when we leave.

You can't help people who don't want your help. I don't believe they really think they've got paradise when their kids are dying and they go to bed hungry. They're playing the oppression game that Nazi's, Baa'th parties and the like force people to play.

 

[Allezfan]

So they think life's peachy and we're all living it the ****. But you think we could go in and liberate them? Try ripping someone away from paradise forcibly and see how you get on?

A hell of a lot of Iraqi's hated Saddam but didn't like Yanks either and that's nowhere near liberated as we'll soon see when we leave.

You can't help people who don't want your help. I don't believe they really think they've got paradise when their kids are dying and they go to bed hungry. They're playing the oppression game that Nazi's, Baa'th parties and the like force people to play.

Agree.

Mind if they do overthrow them, they'll hate us for not helping them. It's the way it goes.

 

[steken1]

Agree.

Mind if they do overthrow them, they'll hate us for not helping them. It's the way it goes.

We can help though. Just not a boots on the ground kinda help.

 

[ToffeeMike]

 

[hktoffee]

To be honest, Japanese officials are just as evil.

I am very surprised BBC does not even arsed to report this.

You know what Shinzo Abe just said? Not only he said visting Yasakuni Shrine (worshipping WW2 class A criminal) is a proud thing to do, he said Japan's action (yeah invasion killing millions of lives) in WW2 is still to be judged. WTF!?

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia...eds/world+(Christian+Science+Monitor+|+World)

 

[Brennan]

So they think life's peachy and we're all living it the ****. But you think we could go in and liberate them? Try ripping someone away from paradise forcibly and see how you get on?

A hell of a lot of Iraqi's hated Saddam but didn't like Yanks either and that's nowhere near liberated as we'll soon see when we leave.

You can't help people who don't want your help. I don't believe they really think they've got paradise when their kids are dying and they go to bed hungry. They're playing the oppression game that Nazi's, Baa'th parties and the like force people to play.

That is blamed on the American forces.

I think you underestimate the power of propaganda, tbh.

 

[Raymondo077]

*Someone chin someone,,FFS!!!*

 

[Caveo]

*Someone chin someone,,FFS!!!*

Im with Ray here , someone better just Nuke someone , seeing as there is no footie this summer it would make chit interesting