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Now for an outsider looking into approach to the Presidential Race.

I've been following it carefully to try and obtain some sort of grasp as to how the US conducts its politics: in fairness, its been fantastic. The greatest show on earth, imagine a super massive X-Factor with nuclear launch codes for the winner.

Every single fact of policy and public speech are micro analysed and torn to pieces, amazing to watch. Its my feeling that a lot of people would accept someone who "ran a good campaign" rather than who is the most suitable candidate. Its mesmerising TV and I am impressed that its something that the whole county gets behind, a patrioism that is sadly lacking from back home.

Right from the off, there has been one person who said the right things and not been drawn into the petty, clearly rehearsed "outrages" at what the others are saying. His name is Obama. Clinton has showed her complete lack of class by not conceding the race last night and has been transparent all the way through, well advised and a phoney trading on her surname.

McCain does have vast experience and has served his country well, a true hero when you realise what he's been through. Its unfair to class him as the third term of Bush but his policies are a bit too similar - he does however, raise some good points about Iraq as progress has been made recently. There are a couple of things that worry me about him though, his phoney, freaky smile he cracks which an advisor has clearly told him makes me look good and the fact that I would say the country needs a wind of change and McCain will not deliver it. Obama is capable of doing such a thing.

Its clear to see that the Republicans favour Clinton out of the two as Obama scares them, he is more than capable of winning the November election and hopefully without Clinton on the ticket. If Obama chose this then I would say he is hypocritical as he has been preaching the need for change and Clinton does not bring that to the table, it would be just a move to appease those who voted for her. In short: playing the political game which the county could do without, in my opinion.

Obama is clear on the fact that healthcare needs a huge reform, many may mock socialised health care but it serves Canada, Britain and France (for example) much better than many, many Americans. The Drugs companies are getting richer and richer - a good example would be to watch CNN and count what percentage of the adverts are for medication. Most of them actually, now compare this to elsewhere in the world.

The US has a very damaged reputation in the world, and this needs addressing if they are to keep up their responsible role. Obama seems acutely aware of this and the need to talk to enemies aswell as allies. Thats diplomacy people. Yet he was slated by suggesting he would talk to non-allies of the US. I know, a bit more than most, about how this could heal old wounds created from past administrations.

But thats politics and ultimately its all about opinions. Not unlike footie really.

Anyway: ye mar.
 
Now for an outsider looking into approach to the Presidential Race.

I've been following it carefully to try and obtain some sort of grasp as to how the US conducts its politics: in fairness, its been fantastic. The greatest show on earth, imagine a super massive X-Factor with nuclear launch codes for the winner.

Every single fact of policy and public speech are micro analysed and torn to pieces, amazing to watch. Its my feeling that a lot of people would accept someone who "ran a good campaign" rather than who is the most suitable candidate. Its mesmerising TV and I am impressed that its something that the whole county gets behind, a patrioism that is sadly lacking from back home.

Right from the off, there has been one person who said the right things and not been drawn into the petty, clearly rehearsed "outrages" at what the others are saying. His name is Obama. Clinton has showed her complete lack of class by not conceding the race last night and has been transparent all the way through, well advised and a phoney trading on her surname.

McCain does have vast experience and has served his country well, a true hero when you realise what he's been through. Its unfair to class him as the third term of Bush but his policies are a bit too similar - he does however, raise some good points about Iraq as progress has been made recently. There are a couple of things that worry me about him though, his phoney, freaky smile he cracks which an advisor has clearly told him makes me look good and the fact that I would say the country needs a wind of change and McCain will not deliver it. Obama is capable of doing such a thing.

Its clear to see that the Republicans favour Clinton out of the two as Obama scares them, he is more than capable of winning the November election and hopefully without Clinton on the ticket. If Obama chose this then I would say he is hypocritical as he has been preaching the need for change and Clinton does not bring that to the table, it would be just a move to appease those who voted for her. In short: playing the political game which the county could do without, in my opinion.

Obama is clear on the fact that healthcare needs a huge reform, many may mock socialised health care but it serves Canada, Britain and France (for example) much better than many, many Americans. The Drugs companies are getting richer and richer - a good example would be to watch CNN and count what percentage of the adverts are for medication. Most of them actually, now compare this to elsewhere in the world.

The US has a very damaged reputation in the world, and this needs addressing if they are to keep up their responsible role. Obama seems acutely aware of this and the need to talk to enemies aswell as allies. Thats diplomacy people. Yet he was slated by suggesting he would talk to non-allies of the US. I know, a bit more than most, about how this could heal old wounds created from past administrations.

But thats politics and ultimately its all about opinions. Not unlike footie really.

Anyway: ye mar.

We could start a whole new thread on the horrors that socialized medicine would bring to this country but let's save everyone the trouble.

It won't happen here. Simple as.

What you outlined above is precisely why Obama beat Clinton. He was a "change" from politics as usual.

Unfortunately, smoke and mirrors are what have got him as far as he has.

Honestly, if he was a Republican, he'd have been out of the race long ago. He has no business being a Senator much less being a President. Fact. TX Bill has more experience than he does. TBM hit the nail on the head. It's that "change" that everyone's clinging on to and if they aren't careful, they might get it. However, be that as it may, I still don't see him winning the general election.

Obamamania !!! Catch it !!!
 
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If Obamamania makes you itch down below then Im riddled with it.

Sorry to say Bill but there are many of your compatriots, children included who cannot afford medical care and some die because of it. I would say on this basis alone it would be prudent to consider the benefits of socialised health care: you might even like it. The Drug companies wont and unfortunately their big wigs have the ear of your politicians.

I thought the Republican candidates were quite weak, Romney was transparent and rightly I thought McCain won.

Obama promises something sifferent, that message evokes something in the people who NEED something different like the ones I mentioned above. Socialism does have its virutes you know.

lights cigar*
 
We could start a whole new thread on the horrors that socialized medicine would bring to this country but let's save everyone the trouble

Obviously the cost of providing free at the point of care medical assistance is vast, but you surely can't be against the ideal of providing free treatment? It's funny how two countries with so much in common can differ on what ought to be a fundamental right of all citizens.

Anyway, it's good to disagree and remain on good terms. It proves we're not all sheep! (y)
 

If Obamamania makes you itch down below then Im riddled with it.

Sorry to say Bill but there are many of your compatriots, children included who cannot afford medical care and some die because of it. I would say on this basis alone it would be prudent to consider the benefits of socialised health care: you might even like it. The Drug companies wont and unfortunately their big wigs have the ear of your politicians.

I thought the Republican candidates were quite weak, Romney was transparent and rightly I thought McCain won.

Obama promises something sifferent, that message evokes something in the people who NEED something different like the ones I mentioned above. Socialism does have its virutes you know.

*lights cigar

You aren't wrong about the weak candidates on the Republican side. I think that if Fred Thompson had gotten into the race sooner and had his heart in it, the conservatives would have really had a horse in the race.

As for medical care in this country, start giving me links to those stories of those who die because they were refused medical care.

Fact is you can't because it doesn't happen. Anyone who comes into a hospital for treatment cannot be refused coverage by law, regardless of ability to afford it, insurance coverage, etc.... If someone goes into a hospital for treatment, they get it. You could imagine the press if someone died because they were kicked out of a hospital due to lack of funds.

I can however, link to many stories of illegal immigrants getting hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical care because of that law when they shouldn't be here in the first place.

And who pays for that? Me, John Q. Taxpayer. Why in the hell am I paying for illegal immigrant health costs?

(By the way, can you guess which side of the illegal immigration issue Obama comes down on? I bet you can.)

I can also link to several stories of those who were refused health care under a socialzied medicine system because they didn't show enough "need" at the time or they had to wait several months for a medical procedure. Yes, the cons of social medicine far outweigh the pros. (FYI...I can give additional stories of those who come down from Canada to get treatment in the USA due to Canada's system.)

Our medical system isn't perfect but it's one hell of a lot better than socialized medicine.

And let me correct you. Socialism has zero virtues. Repeat...zero virtues.

It's like the debate that I have with my liberal friends over here. I always ask them to list the liberal ideals that have made this world a better place.

The list usually starts and ends like this:

1)




*drinks mango flavored Gatorade
 
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I cant believe you Gatoraded me. You monster.

Im not going to get into the ideaology debate, both are flawed due to the human factor but to rule it out as not having virtues is wrong. Ive had the experience of living in both and can tell you theres lots of things to admire about on the contrary.

What amuses me is the US stance on socialism with certain countries *coughs* yet their want to be best of friends approach with China. Last time I checked, China was....

You get the picture.

throws down a shot of rum*
 
Believe me.

If I just inhaled the fumes from the cigar, I'd get sick. Real tough guy I am. :lol: So I had to go with the next best thing.

I'm with you on the friends with China approach. But I'd rather be on speaking terms with them vs. how things used to be in the 60's and 70's. Capitalism is starting to take hold there (of course with all of the Communist Party corruption as an added bonus) but their human rights record is abysmal.

I watched a one hour documentary on the Tianammen (sp?) Square massacre recently and it was fascinating. You can go to Wikipedia and type in Tank Man and at the bottom are "external links."

One's this documentary. Talks about "Tank Man" and asks "Who was he and where is he now?" I started to watch it and couldn't stop. Really riveting.

(EDIT: Here, I'll do you one better...here's the link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4727787930108202470 )
 
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Cheers chief. Seen that Rememberance thing they done on Sunday, good that they do that in fairness.

Bet youre enjoying the local heat, youre not affected by those Tornado things are you? That is crazy [Poor language removed] going on with them, I would be scared shitless living in the zone of one of them.
 
How does your health care system work, Bill? Would I be right in assuming that each person takes out a policy and pays into it every month? Is the cost the same for everyone? Does a millionaire effectively pay the same as a grocery store clerk? Or would the millionaire simply bypass that system and pay the better doctors and hospitals for superior care if and when he needed it?

*Finished glass of Burgundy just in time to let it burn off before I zoom off to Glasgow airport plotting a research project into poor health care in the States*
 
No tornados here but TX gets it's fair share. Most of the really bad ones were well north of us in OK and KS (part of "tornado alley.")

Heat's kicked in though. Played in a softball game last Saturday afternoon and it was around 93 outside with maximum humidity.

Ughhhh.
 

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