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Other Club Transfers 2022

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The problem is that the average PL wage is probably in or about 3m a year, so close to 60k a week. Villa is not in a position to buy lots of young players with potential. We were a Championship club three years ago and had to do a complete rebuild. If we try the approach of buying all young potential the risk of going back down would be too high imo. We need to take the risk of getting some 29 year old experience into the squad/team. A couple of seasons ago we stayed up on the last day by getting a draw away to West Ham. We need to try to consolidate in the PL before we can start to feel comfortable that will be playing in the PL the following year. I really admire the way Brighton did this but I think it is really high risk, they needed excellent scouting and they needed Potter. We have had Smith and Slippy as managers. Since we returned to the PL, this is the 1st season I actually feel like we will be in this league the following year. Of course we need some players that are younger and have resale value but we have Cash, Watkins, Bailey, Buendia, Luiz, Konsa, McGinn, Ramsey, Kamara and the Colombian 19 year we agreed to buy today so there are players that will command at least a half decent transfer fee if we wanted to sell them. It looks like we are still in the market for another player this window and a lot of links with Guendouzi (could be just lazy journos seeing the link with Emery), but he is only 23 so another potential player at the right age for reselling in the future.
Also mate....the Guendouzi link.........stinks of kia joorabchian.

There is plenty on him in this forum.
Joorabchian has his fingers in many pies, and all of them tend to involve him moving players around so the selling club can free up funds, for the next player to come along who he has an interest in to sign for that club.

Joorabchian has or had the ear at Arsenal around the Emery era (David Luiz being a key highlight along with Soares and a few others) during that time he gets himself in with other players! He helped move guendouzi on to marseille (who he also has the ear of).......and who did you guys get kamara from on a ridiculously high wage? Marseille!

David Luiz signed for Arsenal the same day Arsdnal sold Iwobi to us for £28million, what was David Luiz's signing on fee plus wage over contract? 28 million! Who was the intermedatory between arsenal & everton for the iwobi deal? Joorabchian!

Diego Carlos is part of Bertolucci sports, who Joorabchian has a stake/interest in with his long term friend business partner.
THen throw in Coutinho & El Ghazi who are big parts of Joorabchians main stable...Sports Invest.

El Ghazi got loaned over to us last year purely as a favour from moshiri to help villa free up wages for the coutinho/digne deals.

Alot of your signings arent due to scouting but mostly have abit of a 'circle of life' that each stage involves kia making money.
 
You talk about carlos/digne/moreno.......i raise you a walcott/sigurdsson/doucoure/allan for that nust to name a few.
We aldo had our mid 20s signings too such as Mina, Keane, Kean, richarlison, digne (at the time), andre gomes, etc etc.
We also bought young players of 18/19 years old in vlasic, calvert lewin, josh bowler, lewis gibson, dennis adiniran.

The similarity that hits is there is no actual pattern to transfers........mainly pushed by who the players representative is (coutinho, carlos etc).

Villa stink of everton 4 years ago mate, hopefully they notice this and do something about it though
But isn't that what all clubs do? Buy players that are in the mid-20s and younger ones too? Making that type of transfer comparison with Everton can be made with just about any club and Everton. If clubs continually buy the wrong players and have poor coaching and tactics then of course it will go pear-shaped for them.
 
Chelsea's signing of Mykhailo Mudryk took their spending this season past the £400m mark with two weeks to go before the end of the latest transfer window.

According to Transfermarkt, their January spending totals 143.50m euros (£126.8m) on five arrivals as they try to turn around the form that has left them 10th in the Premier League.
That comes after a summer in which they spent a Premier League record £270m - the second-highest summer spend by any club in the world after Real Madrid (£292m) in 2019.

So how can they afford to keep spending, and how do the numbers work with regard to Financial Fair Play rules? BBC Sport takes a closer look at the sums.

Firstly, what are the rules on spending?​

There are two sets of rules that Chelsea have to adhere to - the Premier League's profit and sustainability rules and, as they regularly play in European competition, Uefa's Financial Fair Play regulations (FFP).

Premier League profitability and sustainability rules allow for total losses of £105m over a three-year period. Any club that posts losses in excess of that figure could face penalties, including large fines or even a points deduction.

Under Uefa's current rules, clubs can spend up to 5m euros (£4.4m) more than they earn over a three-year period. They can exceed this level to a limit of 30m euros (£26.6m), if it is entirely covered by the club's owner.

Uefa has a wide-ranging list of potential punishments for clubs which break these rules - such as Wolves in 2020 - from warnings, fines or even the loss of European titles.

However, new Uefa rules introduced in June limit clubs' spending on wages, transfers and agents' fees to 70% of their revenue, though permitted losses over a three-year period have risen to 60m euros (£49.96m).

Clubs have been given three years to implement these changes.

Football finance expert Kieran Maguire estimates that Chelsea only had a three-year FFP loss of £5m in their most recent accounts, which go up to 2021, so have a fair amount of leeway in terms of permitted losses.

How can Chelsea keep spending so much?​

Kieran Maguire on BBC Radio 5 Live's Monday Night Club

There are two issues: can they afford it in terms of cash? They can because they are buying players and paying for them in instalments. So the finances of the club itself are fine.

With regards to Financial Fair Play, the accounting is more Harry Potter than Graham Potter in the sense that it's quite weird and wonderful.

When you buy a player, you spread the cost of the player over the life of the contract. If we take a look at Mykhailo Mudryk, they bought him for £89m and he is on an eight-and-a-half-year contract. When you sell a player, all of the profits are taken into the accounts immediately [even if actual payments are made in instalments]. We have got the sales of Tammy Abraham and Fikayo Tomori. That was £77m worth of profit.

They also won the Champions League, they won the Uefa Super Cup, they won the Fifa World Club Cup and all of that was extra money coming in. So things aren't as bad as I think some of the commentators are making out.

Chelsea's ins and outs​

Signings since Boehly takeover (summer 2022)
Marc Cucurella - Brighton, £60mGabriel Slonina - Chicago Fire £8m
Raheem Sterling - Man City, £50mDenis Zakaria - Juventus, loan
Kalidou Koulibaly - Napoli, £33mBenoit Badiashile - Monaco, £35m
Carney Chukwuemeka - Aston Villa, £20mDavid Datro Fofana - Molde, £8m
Cesare Casadei - Inter Milan, £12mAndrey Santos - Vasco da Gama, £10m
Wesley Fofana - Leicester, £70mJoao Felix - Atletico Madrid, £9.7m loan fee
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang - Barcelona, £10.3mMykhailo Mudryk - Shakhtar Donetsk, £89m
Total: £415m
Major Chelsea outgoings 2020-2023
Alvaro Morata - Atletico Madrid, £31m
Tammy Abraham - Roma, £34m
Kurt Zouma - West Ham, £29.8m
Fikayo Tomori - AC Milan, £24m
Timo Werner - RB Leipzig, £25m
Emerson - West Ham, £13m
Mario Pasalic - Atalanta, £12.8m
Total: £169.6m

What are the risks?​

Football finance expert Kieran Maguire:

It's a very high-risk strategy.

If the players turn out to underperform, you have then got a player on a total salary cost of £7m or £8m a year and you are committed to that for seven to eight years. No other clubs are willing to take that wage off your hands for such a long period of time. So you've got four or five players who are happy to sit down for the rest of the contracts. They are even taking up space on your 25-man roster as far as Uefa is concerned or they are tying up space on your payroll.

If they are fantastic players, it is great because it means that if Real Madrid come calling in two years' time, you have still got five or six years remaining on the contract and can extract the maximum fee.

What if Chelsea fail to qualify for the Champions League?​

Kieran Maguire to Sky Sports:

It would be restrictive. If you take when Chelsea won the Champions League in 2021, they generated around 120 euros (£106m) in prize money. You can expect to make £3-4m per home game plus bonuses from sponsors.

Compare that to the Europa League. For every £1 you make in that competition, you are making around £4.50 in the Champions League, so there will also be a significant effect if you don't qualify.
 

Chelsea's signing of Mykhailo Mudryk took their spending this season past the £400m mark with two weeks to go before the end of the latest transfer window.

According to Transfermarkt, their January spending totals 143.50m euros (£126.8m) on five arrivals as they try to turn around the form that has left them 10th in the Premier League.
That comes after a summer in which they spent a Premier League record £270m - the second-highest summer spend by any club in the world after Real Madrid (£292m) in 2019.

So how can they afford to keep spending, and how do the numbers work with regard to Financial Fair Play rules? BBC Sport takes a closer look at the sums.

Firstly, what are the rules on spending?​

There are two sets of rules that Chelsea have to adhere to - the Premier League's profit and sustainability rules and, as they regularly play in European competition, Uefa's Financial Fair Play regulations (FFP).

Premier League profitability and sustainability rules allow for total losses of £105m over a three-year period. Any club that posts losses in excess of that figure could face penalties, including large fines or even a points deduction.

Under Uefa's current rules, clubs can spend up to 5m euros (£4.4m) more than they earn over a three-year period. They can exceed this level to a limit of 30m euros (£26.6m), if it is entirely covered by the club's owner.

Uefa has a wide-ranging list of potential punishments for clubs which break these rules - such as Wolves in 2020 - from warnings, fines or even the loss of European titles.

However, new Uefa rules introduced in June limit clubs' spending on wages, transfers and agents' fees to 70% of their revenue, though permitted losses over a three-year period have risen to 60m euros (£49.96m).

Clubs have been given three years to implement these changes.

Football finance expert Kieran Maguire estimates that Chelsea only had a three-year FFP loss of £5m in their most recent accounts, which go up to 2021, so have a fair amount of leeway in terms of permitted losses.

How can Chelsea keep spending so much?​

Kieran Maguire on BBC Radio 5 Live's Monday Night Club

There are two issues: can they afford it in terms of cash? They can because they are buying players and paying for them in instalments. So the finances of the club itself are fine.

With regards to Financial Fair Play, the accounting is more Harry Potter than Graham Potter in the sense that it's quite weird and wonderful.

When you buy a player, you spread the cost of the player over the life of the contract. If we take a look at Mykhailo Mudryk, they bought him for £89m and he is on an eight-and-a-half-year contract. When you sell a player, all of the profits are taken into the accounts immediately [even if actual payments are made in instalments]. We have got the sales of Tammy Abraham and Fikayo Tomori. That was £77m worth of profit.

They also won the Champions League, they won the Uefa Super Cup, they won the Fifa World Club Cup and all of that was extra money coming in. So things aren't as bad as I think some of the commentators are making out.

Chelsea's ins and outs​

Signings since Boehly takeover (summer 2022)
Marc Cucurella - Brighton, £60mGabriel Slonina - Chicago Fire £8m
Raheem Sterling - Man City, £50mDenis Zakaria - Juventus, loan
Kalidou Koulibaly - Napoli, £33mBenoit Badiashile - Monaco, £35m
Carney Chukwuemeka - Aston Villa, £20mDavid Datro Fofana - Molde, £8m
Cesare Casadei - Inter Milan, £12mAndrey Santos - Vasco da Gama, £10m
Wesley Fofana - Leicester, £70mJoao Felix - Atletico Madrid, £9.7m loan fee
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang - Barcelona, £10.3mMykhailo Mudryk - Shakhtar Donetsk, £89m
Total: £415m
Major Chelsea outgoings 2020-2023
Alvaro Morata - Atletico Madrid, £31m
Tammy Abraham - Roma, £34m
Kurt Zouma - West Ham, £29.8m
Fikayo Tomori - AC Milan, £24m
Timo Werner - RB Leipzig, £25m
Emerson - West Ham, £13m
Mario Pasalic - Atalanta, £12.8m
Total: £169.6m

What are the risks?​

Football finance expert Kieran Maguire:

It's a very high-risk strategy.

If the players turn out to underperform, you have then got a player on a total salary cost of £7m or £8m a year and you are committed to that for seven to eight years. No other clubs are willing to take that wage off your hands for such a long period of time. So you've got four or five players who are happy to sit down for the rest of the contracts. They are even taking up space on your 25-man roster as far as Uefa is concerned or they are tying up space on your payroll.

If they are fantastic players, it is great because it means that if Real Madrid come calling in two years' time, you have still got five or six years remaining on the contract and can extract the maximum fee.

What if Chelsea fail to qualify for the Champions League?​

Kieran Maguire to Sky Sports:

It would be restrictive. If you take when Chelsea won the Champions League in 2021, they generated around 120 euros (£106m) in prize money. You can expect to make £3-4m per home game plus bonuses from sponsors.

Compare that to the Europa League. For every £1 you make in that competition, you are making around £4.50 in the Champions League, so there will also be a significant effect if you don't qualify.

I've said it's all very risky and they don't have the russian to bail them out. Their transfers have been all over the shop with no cohesion too.

The FFP loss of £5mill over the 3 years is hilarious to me being the debt they had, the millions they lost daily, and we're running out cash reserves when Roman got sanctioned. This is, like any club and us included, is where the magic beans come in.

Also...could be wrong but I don't even think City before FFP spent £400million in a season.
 
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Be ridiculous do you mean, same owner
I mean it's ridiculous that a player like that is going to end up at Bournemouth, along now with Outthara it seems. Bournemouths owner only has a stake in Lorient I don't think he is the full owner, something like 30%. Frustrating though.
 

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