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Other clubs summer transfers 2023

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kenada_blue said:
Principal and scale isn't it?

But let's not get petty. If there's loopholes, there's loopholes that every club exploit. No clubs are saints.

However we're getting into territory where clubs are hamstrung and punished because their pockets aren't deep enough.
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But shouldn't clubs that have deeper pockets be allowed to invest to improve? If all clubs operate within P&S / FFP the clubs that are better managed should be given the opportunity to reap the rewards of their astute management. As u say no clubs are saints, I agree, and the system is far from ideal but I don't see why a club should not be allowed to invest money if it wants to
 
kenada_blue said:
The only principle is that it went to his mate rather than another sponsor. Buts that business. It also doesn't exist anymore and the club is looking for a new naming rights deal.

Newcastles principals are the owners are paying themselves £30mill a year from a previous £7mill a year sponsorship deal. In 1 and a half seasons they club have the 7th biggest commercial deal in the league, a couple mill shy off Spurs.
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I am not defending Toon but the sponsorship value has raised significantly with Champions League qualification, previously they were relegation candidates with Bruce as their manager. I disagree with the same parent company sponsoring a club, it should not be permitted imo but the value of the sponsorship is probably close to being reflective of its market value
 
Villa_Fan said:
But shouldn't clubs that have deeper pockets be allowed to invest to improve? If all clubs operate within P&S / FFP the clubs that are better managed should be given the opportunity to reap the rewards of their astute management. As u say no clubs are saints, I agree, and the system is far from ideal but I don't see why a club should not be allowed to invest money if it wants to
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They already are.

It's not the ability to invest it's the hypocrisy of the rules that every club bar City and now Newcastle will at some point have to deal with.

Those clubs have no issues financially. Everyone else will be hamstrung by FFP at some point in time when they over invest, make poor decisions, need to cut wages etc. Those clubs can't just cancel sponsorship deals for overinflated ones to balance an account.

Leicester are one of the most successful sides outside the usual suspects, more so than Spurs. Yet couldn't spend a penny and got relegated.

Wolves invested to stay in the league. Now hamstrung by FFP because of it.

Neither of those teams have overspent compared to a lot of teams in the league...yet both have to put the brakes on.

Villa will have a point like that in the future because the market is now skewed due to Saudi investment and club's like Chelsea playing fast and hard Scott free
 
Villa_Fan said:
I am not defending Toon but the sponsorship value has raised significantly with Champions League qualification, previously they were relegation candidates with Bruce as their manager. I disagree with the same parent company sponsoring a club, it should not be permitted imo but the value of the sponsorship is probably close to being reflective of its market value
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It's not though. There's more established teams like Atletico, Inter, and AC Milan that have less or similar deals. Not teams that haven't been in it for 2 decades.
 
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kenada_blue said:
It's not though. There's more established teams like Atletico, Inter, and AC Milan that have less or similar deals. Not teams that haven't been in it for 2 decades.
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I mean they are club in category of City and PSG, meaning they are just front for sport washing.
They got infinite amount of money and FFP is only reason why cant go full Chelsea yet (when Abramovich first bought them).
 
kenada_blue said:
They already are.

It's not the ability to invest it's the hypocrisy of the rules that every club bar City and now Newcastle will at some point have to deal with.

Those clubs have no issues financially. Everyone else will be hamstrung by FFP at some point in time when they over invest, make poor decisions, need to cut wages etc. Those clubs can't just cancel sponsorship deals for overinflated ones to balance an account.

Leicester are one of the most successful sides outside the usual suspects, more so than Spurs. Yet couldn't spend a penny and got relegated.

Wolves invested to stay in the league. Now hamstrung by FFP because of it.

Neither of those teams have overspent compared to a lot of teams in the league...yet both have to put the brakes on.

Villa will have a point like that in the future because the market is now skewed due to Saudi investment and club's like Chelsea playing fast and hard Scott free
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I think they are just excuses for poor management. Leicester pulled the plug on finances due to the change of strategy at the top and the impact on their business due to Covid. Even taking into account dodgy naming rights and sponsorship it is still only worth about 20m to the club. Manage the club professionally and it will be fine. Look at Villa pre our current owners, we had money and PL status but the management of the club was dire and it resulted in relegation and near administration. Wolves were unlucky with injuries and didn't get a striker in when they needed to, that is not down to FFP, it is poor management.
 
stipe said:
I mean they are club in category of City and PSG, meaning they are just front for sport washing.
They got infinite amount of money and FFP is only reason why cant go full Chelsea yet (when Abramovich first bought them).
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How are they any different to a club with owners that are multi billionaires? There is a limit to the amount that can be spend on a squad and manager that that limit is well within the reach of quite a few owners
 
kenada_blue said:
It's not though. There's more established teams like Atletico, Inter, and AC Milan that have less or similar deals. Not teams that haven't been in it for 2 decades.
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You are not comparing like with like. The Premier League is the most viewed league in the world. More viewers = more subscriptions = more money = more advertising opportunities = higher sponsorship. Clubs in the PL with Champions League football the elite 4 clubs (5 next year) in world football (with barca and R Madrid) when it comes to having advertising potential.
 
Villa_Fan said:
You are not comparing like with like. The Premier League is the most viewed league in the world. More viewers = more subscriptions = more money = more advertising opportunities = higher sponsorship. Clubs in the PL with Champions League football the elite 4 clubs (5 next year) in world football (with barca and R Madrid) when it comes to having advertising potential.
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They're not too shy from Spurs and their sponsorship who have been more regular in the champions league and are a bigger name. Leicester won the league in 2016 and played champions league football and their sponsorship was about £12million (if I recalled).

No regular sponsor is paying close to £30mill to Newcastle and their first foray into the champions league for 2 decades+. If Villa did it for example, do you think you'd get the same or close to the deal Newcastle have?

If you think you would, then you're wrong. Hence why it isn't a market rate
 
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Villa_Fan said:
I think they are just excuses for poor management. Leicester pulled the plug on finances due to the change of strategy at the top and the impact on their business due to Covid. Even taking into account dodgy naming rights and sponsorship it is still only worth about 20m to the club. Manage the club professionally and it will be fine. Look at Villa pre our current owners, we had money and PL status but the management of the club was dire and it resulted in relegation and near administration. Wolves were unlucky with injuries and didn't get a striker in when they needed to, that is not down to FFP, it is poor management.
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The point is that Leicester won the premiership and fa cup. Played in Europe. Regular top 10 in the league. Can't recall spending over their means. A club like them have a point in time have to tighten the belts. If not, they'll get punished.

There's a financial cap for team like them, like Villa, like Everton so that no matter what success on the field they have unless they find favourable deep pocket deals from other sources, mainly Saudi, it will only get so high.

Wolves spent above their means to survive. Now they have to tighten. If they don't, they'll get punished.

It will happen to all teams apart from Newcastle, City, PSG.
 
kenada_blue said:
The point is that Leicester won the premiership and fa cup. Played in Europe. Regular top 10 in the league. Can't recall spending over their means. A club like them have a point in time have to tighten the belts. If not, they'll get punished.

There's a financial cap for team like them, like Villa, like Everton so that no matter what success on the field they have unless they find favourable deep pocket deals from other sources, mainly Saudi, it will only get so high.

Wolves spent above their means to survive. Now they have to tighten. If they don't, they'll get punished.

It will happen to all teams apart from Newcastle, City, PSG.
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Wasting your time mate.

Poor Villa fan has major Stockholm Syndrome. If it was Everton with a £30+ mil deal with the bank of Russia I doubt he'll be claiming its all above board...
 

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