Dario Terracotta
Player Valuation: £70m
Exactly,ex players not even involved with Southampton or Everton stating Southampton are a bigger/better proposition than us.
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Our perception in within the media..........
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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
The media perception of us now is this:
- Still a selling club regardless of a change of ownership regime. Not at the races financially.
- A club that always has a stadium plan but never builds one.
- A club who's team plays basic back to front football with zero quality.
- A club which have a manager who used to be a big name player.
- A club that does good work in the community blah blah blah.
...to be honest, the only way we turn around perception is via results and success. Folk will continue to undermine us because we undermine ourselves on the pitch. Nothing will change until we change, nothing will be good until we are good.
toffeejack
Player Valuation: £100m
they're just idiots. I've been annoyed by it for so long that i don't really care anymore. It's mainly a sea of red, but i just enjoy it more when things go tits up for them then. I don't think we'll ever be properly perceived by the media, and there's not too much we can do about it. Not a defeatist attitude, but we need to make them know we're back to being a big club via performances on the pitch, instead of the patting on the head we now get.
The media is fickle, two seasons if under performance and like you say we're pushed alongside medicore teams, never saw that same attitude towards liverpool a few years back when they kept finishing 7th/8th. Best not to get too built up about it, real football fans know the score, not these utter idiots.
I've got to be honest, I really don't care what the media say about us.
I don't see any benefit of being media darlings. I know what Everton means to me and many others. That, what happens on the pitch and what happens behind the scenes at the club are the only things that really matter.
EFC78
Player Valuation: £25m
I think there are a few reasons for it. The main and obvious one is because of how unsuccessful we've been in the Premier League era. There are a lot of (clueless) supporters of other clubs who would probably say Newcastle are a bigger club than Everton purely because of the Keegan era and them playing in the Champions League for a few seasons. We have ourselves to blame for not winning anything for years and also for our poor record against the "big" clubs, in particular away from home. In big crunch matches, in games that we're considered the underdog we simply barely ever win them. You can probably count on the one hand the number of games that we have genuinely been the firm underdog and come away with a win. For that reason we've never gained the respect of the modern day fan or pundit.
The other reason I think we're so overlooked and belittled is due to the RS' media presence and also the way the media is set up to big up the popular SKY era clubs. It's not just Everton that get patronised. The media only care about the current top 6 clubs, with Spurs only being partly accepted in to that group now that they've spent some time in the top 4 and due to last season.
I think it's been mentioned but Man City used to be ridiculed before they got their money. If we became successful again we would be accepted in to the elite group of 5 or 6 clubs, like they have.
It's not right that we're so patronised given what we've achieved in the English game but it's time for our owners to put that right and transform the club so that we can at least compete for a top 4 place, get the odd cup win and beat some of these popular teams in the big games, especially away. When we start to do that, I am sure we will be taken more seriously by the media.
The other reason I think we're so overlooked and belittled is due to the RS' media presence and also the way the media is set up to big up the popular SKY era clubs. It's not just Everton that get patronised. The media only care about the current top 6 clubs, with Spurs only being partly accepted in to that group now that they've spent some time in the top 4 and due to last season.
I think it's been mentioned but Man City used to be ridiculed before they got their money. If we became successful again we would be accepted in to the elite group of 5 or 6 clubs, like they have.
It's not right that we're so patronised given what we've achieved in the English game but it's time for our owners to put that right and transform the club so that we can at least compete for a top 4 place, get the odd cup win and beat some of these popular teams in the big games, especially away. When we start to do that, I am sure we will be taken more seriously by the media.
Milk
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In truth though we have to win something ... any thing - a game would do - to get talked about.
We are where we are because of lack of investment & all we have heard so far from the Mosh is warm words.
Actions speak louder than words ... a sound truism.
Sign Rooney & we'd be on the back pages for weeks
We are where we are because of lack of investment & all we have heard so far from the Mosh is warm words.
Actions speak louder than words ... a sound truism.
Sign Rooney & we'd be on the back pages for weeks
brieverton
Player Valuation: £50m
The elite clubs agenda is going to be pushed regardless to satisfy perceived viewership/listenership figures, almost like political propaganda. At least that is the theory. Part of it is the blanket coverage they get, and another is maintaining the long-established narrative, to maintain the pecking order and put other clubs "in their place" as it were. There is probably a degree of smug satisfaction to be had as an RS/other fan in this.
What I have always objected to is the even more blatant favouritism on the subscription channels - surely in that context my money is as good as the next guys? In Martinez' first season I remember BT doing a feature on clubs in contention for the Top 4 with these banners they use in the studio - we were omitted completely and I can't see that as being an oversight by some trainee.
The other element of course is the clubs response. In the Kenwright era we liked to portray ourselves as the equivalent of everybody's favourite uncle, that same uncle being trapped in a 1980s timewarp and ridiculed accordingly behind his back. Such sentimental nonsense as "The Peoples Club" etc.
Football is a tribal game - you're a threat if you have bags of money and/or are winning. People don't like threats. We threaten nothing or nobody, and our coverage is a mixture of sanctimonious platitudes and pats on the back for doing nothing to worry the elite.
Worryingly, one of my biggest concerns is that Moshiri is seemingly not media savvy. A year into his time here almost and I don't see signs of the external narrative changing. What would you expect with Kenwright's people still in place. Whilst he may have been attempting to appeal to a bigger audience with the Jim White interview, in hindsight I felt it was inappropriate for the most senior figure at Everton to use what is essentially a tabloid forum to speak. He could have designated someone else to perform that role. It was belittling, and again only served to remind us of where we stand currently. John W Henry or Daniel Levy would never in a million years speak in that type of forum, and then you have the likes of Abramovich who maintains an almost regal public silence.
What I have always objected to is the even more blatant favouritism on the subscription channels - surely in that context my money is as good as the next guys? In Martinez' first season I remember BT doing a feature on clubs in contention for the Top 4 with these banners they use in the studio - we were omitted completely and I can't see that as being an oversight by some trainee.
The other element of course is the clubs response. In the Kenwright era we liked to portray ourselves as the equivalent of everybody's favourite uncle, that same uncle being trapped in a 1980s timewarp and ridiculed accordingly behind his back. Such sentimental nonsense as "The Peoples Club" etc.
Football is a tribal game - you're a threat if you have bags of money and/or are winning. People don't like threats. We threaten nothing or nobody, and our coverage is a mixture of sanctimonious platitudes and pats on the back for doing nothing to worry the elite.
Worryingly, one of my biggest concerns is that Moshiri is seemingly not media savvy. A year into his time here almost and I don't see signs of the external narrative changing. What would you expect with Kenwright's people still in place. Whilst he may have been attempting to appeal to a bigger audience with the Jim White interview, in hindsight I felt it was inappropriate for the most senior figure at Everton to use what is essentially a tabloid forum to speak. He could have designated someone else to perform that role. It was belittling, and again only served to remind us of where we stand currently. John W Henry or Daniel Levy would never in a million years speak in that type of forum, and then you have the likes of Abramovich who maintains an almost regal public silence.
gonetomorrow
Player Valuation: £70m
I would think we're very popular in the game generally. After all, we tend to make other teams look better than they are before scrambling a draw.
Alanbileysfeathercut
Player Valuation: £80m
Remember years ago Bob Wilson making fun of us on football focus
Think Dario's right we are perceived as small fry in the premier league era
The love affair with the RS is embarrassing IMO
Which when they fail makes it enjoyable
Think Dario's right we are perceived as small fry in the premier league era
The love affair with the RS is embarrassing IMO
Which when they fail makes it enjoyable
trebilcock66
Player Valuation: £8m
We shouldn't stress about this really but it's quite hard when I have to listen to the amoeba that is Alan Green ...supposedly a senior broadcaster on the nation's objective neutral news service. In fact he's the most overtly biased sports reporter on the air. Disgraceful really.
Some of us picked up on last season's live online updates of the 4-0 drubbing we got at our neighbours. It went something like...."A fourth goal seems likely. Keep playing like this and we'll get it" We'll......
It was corrected soon afterward but that kind of thing should not be happening on the BBC.
streeky
Player Valuation: £35m
spent last night trying to fight our corner as the only evertonian in a pub full of neutrals saying hull v everton was a championship game and why was it on. Gave up in the end because our the performance we all watched did nothing to change their mind, and spent the whole game being laughed at.
Alanbileysfeathercut
Player Valuation: £80m
What happened to the good old days at sky when we where on you'd have a rabid blue on (Peter Reid Brian Labone for example) now it's a RS fest making Gary Neville listenable
Jose was right, remember him criticising the RS infested media he wasn't wrong
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