Our 'Rules' + Moderator Defaults

[GrandOldTeam]

Blues,

We're busier than ever;



This has prompted us, over in our plush mod central - to discuss our moderating stance for the season ahead.

The crux of the discussion is - can we moderate GrandOldTeam a little more leniently? Have we as a moderating setup become a bit miserable? (don't answer that...).

Anyway - it would be good to have some feedback on the below.

• What should the moderating warning system be?

As in, how should the moderators of your Everton forum, moderate.

We last revised our community guidelines in 2008 - I think they're still applicable, but I think we could improve on how we ask and prompt the community to follow the guidelines.

Currently, if a moderator sees a post that goes against our guidelines - they hit 'warn' and have a predetermined setup like so;



These allocate warning points - as below;

Warning System
30 Points = Suspended for 2 Days.
60 points = Suspended For 7 Days.
80 points = Suspended For 14 Days.
100 points = Permanently Banned.

Inappropriate Language: 10 points
General Behaviour Warning: 20 points
Off Topic: 20 points
Minor Spamming: 20 points
Posting Abusive/Offensive Material: 60 points
Spammed Advertisements: 100 points
10 and 20 point infractions expire after 30 days, the rest after 45 days.

The lower value warnings can be issued as a warning (0 points) at the discretion of the staff member.

You will be automatically notified via private message if you receive a warning - meaning the points wont mount up without you realising.

So...
Can our system be better?

Is it easily understood?

Is it fair?

How do we keep GrandOldTeam 'sound' and civil, but don't go to far and lose the fun.

Above all - If you could setup the moderating structure for GOT, what would it be?

I know it's difficult blues, but serious suggestions/feedback please...

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Disappointed that this thread has deteriorated into a complete waste of time - for me at least.

Several on here - similar to the miserable arl git at the bar who thinks he owns it, are very quick to cite 'the old days' and quick enough to moan about the present - but when the moderators look for some feedback, they offer nothing by way of sensible, genuine feedback and/or solutions. Instead, they in effect, sabotage a genuine attempt to improve the forum with a load of nonsense... well done you.

Still, nice one to the few who contributed in response to the opening post - I've concluded;

• Majority consider the existing moderation to be very good;

Good as it is and thanks.

No system is perfect but from what I've seen the moderation on this site is pretty damn good. Warnings are vital for fair play and should be kept private preventing the miscreant being goaded to the point of banning. In the early days a level of moderation was sought and I honestly think it has been achieved, Change isn't always for the better (referendum in mind) so the status quo for me and keep up the good work. Since I've been back I've witnessed one banning, Groucho did it perfectly to the point of making me laugh now that can't be bad can it

From my perspective no complaints about the mods .

Especially as they tend to warn before they do anything so fair enough, keep going as usual.

I think on the whole the modding is fine and consistent.... therein lies my only small whinge. In the Everton forum there is deffo a need to have strong moderation and a consistent approach,,,, but sometimes that carries over into the ale house where stuff we could get away with previously ..as long as it wasn't malicious... is now jumped on more quickly and thread bans and other bans ensue.... maybe a little less heavy on the ale house moderation would be good,,,,, but that is just my personal view.

oh and Mick said to say he is the best by far.

I have been warned once from swearing, but it was handled ( by Groucho if my memory serves me well) very amiably and i think the mods, like most of the guys on here are fair as well as entertaining! Carry on chaps!

Can't complain about the moderating. I have a fair few warnings when I have lost it but in general a pre-warning usually sorts me out when they can sense the toys are about to be thrown out of the pram. Very Fair.

...it's difficult for the Moderators and I tend to agree with others that they get the balance about right. I do think the responsibility of tolerance and respect falls upon the posters and we need to be reminded of that at times.

One small gripe is the recent trend of staff posting new threads on reported transfer targets or even (in one case) an aspirational wish for us to sign a certain goalkeeper. As a backbencher, I try to do my bit to ensure good housekeeping and posting comments in existing threads. We don't want a 'do as I say but not as I do' governance.

Keep up the good work.

The moderating is very good. Well done for the time and effort put in. Keeps GOT a decent place for people to join in Everton chat etc.

The mods are like supervisors at a nursery. So many children in here, whinging, whining, rattles constantly thrown from virtual prams, incessant dribbling and soiling of underwear, finger pointing and cries of 'it was him' and 'he started it', major huffties, tantrums and flounces, the occasional barfing on the carpet, infantile profanities and immature, uneducated and inexperienced opinion.

You need to bring back the cane.

As it is, their tolerance and understanding as well as their time, is appreciated. Carry on. Oh, and I think @chicoazul needs changing again

Without wishng to sound too much of a brown-noser, i think the very fact the moderators are prepared to ask for 360 feedback demonstrates a level of self awareness and decency. I joined NSNO and also Bluekipper when it was around, and while both has some funny stuff on them, neither made me feel I belonged to them like this one does?

Overall, I think the modding on GOT is pretty much spot on when you consider the overall context of the forum as a whole.

There are other forums where modding is slightly more 'lax', which has its own benefits, but as a rule they're much smaller and a lower profile.

This place is high profile and as such it's to be expected that there must be some more rigidity with the rules. If you don't like it, then move on.

Others want moderating to be more strict, others less strict - wanting more 'popcorn' and freedom to 'take the piss' for 'fun'. This is fine, but of course it's all down to context. This is what I'd encourage moderators to follow as a rule of thumb;

I always equate discussions on this forum with having a natter in a boozer! There are rules and there are boundaries that are only crossed at the risk of a smack in the mouth! Prior to said smack in mouth being dished out, someone will normally issue a warning? The mods issue the warnings prior to the smack in the mouth (the ban) being dealt! If people dont like or dont listen to those warnings, they can hardly complain if they have their noses bust?

The forum is fair, anyone who doesnt agree, join another or set up their own?

As for immediate improvements for the new season;

• Improvements

- More moderators, consider time zone.
- Users to see see their own warning points.
- Consider changing weighting of warning points, particularly for off topic posts;

I think off topic in some threads needs to have more warnings issued, but at the same time for less points (5?), with it ramping up for continued infraction. Make 5 pointers expire quicker too.

- More leniency outside the Everton forum - less thread bans/thread closures.

To conclude, I think it's worth highlighting that some would do well to remember that moderators on here are volunteers who do their best to make this place the best place on the internet for Evertonians. We won't always get it right, but it's not all on the moderators to make GOT be the best it can...

...it's difficult for the Moderators and I tend to agree with others that they get the balance about right. I do think the responsibility of tolerance and respect falls upon the posters and we need to be reminded of that at times.

 

[tommye]

I love you all. You are all heroes.

X

 

[Goat]

I mentioned the warning points, YES!!!! That means im not useless.

 

[chicoazul]

Disappointed that this thread has deteriorated into a complete waste of time - for me at least.

Several on here - similar to the miserable arl git at the bar who thinks he owns it, are very quick to cite 'the old days' and quick enough to moan about the present - but when the moderators look for some feedback, they offer nothing by way of sensible, genuine feedback and/or solutions. Instead, they in effect, sabotage a genuine attempt to improve the forum with a load of nonsense... well done you.

Still, nice one to the few who contributed in response to the opening post - I've concluded;

• Majority consider the existing moderation to be very good;

Others want moderating to be more strict, others less strict - wanting more 'popcorn' and freedom to 'take the piss' for 'fun'. This is fine, but of course it's all down to context. This is what I'd encourage moderators to follow as a rule of thumb;



As for immediate improvements for the new season;

• Improvements

- More moderators, consider time zone.
- Users to see see their own warning points.
- Consider changing weighting of warning points, particularly for off topic posts;



- More leniency outside the Everton forum - less thread bans/thread closures.

To conclude, I think it's worth highlighting that some would do well to remember that moderators on here are volunteers who do their best to make this place the best place on the internet for Evertonians. We won't always get it right, but it's not all on the moderators to make GOT be the best it can...

You've missed the consistent comment of the modding being too over zealous and sucking the life out of the forum.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

You've missed the consistent comment of the modding being too over zealous and sucking the life out of the forum.

It wasn't the consistent comment, but I picked up on it here;

Others want moderating to be more strict, others less strict - wanting more 'popcorn' and freedom to 'take the piss' for 'fun'.

- More leniency outside the Everton forum - less thread bans/thread closures.

Thanks.

 

[chicoazul]

It wasn't the consistent comment, but I picked up on it here;





Thanks.

It was a popular comment but I missed where you referenced it so soz.

 

[bizzaro]

Can somebody explain why Damo is coming at Mick?

I'm not coming at anyone on here.

I simply indicated that moderator participation in threads inevitably improved them.

 

[chicoazul]

I think that the restriction of PMs to just 3 people shows that the forum doesn't listen to the posters at all.

 

[Toast]

Talking about mods and PM's.

I got a PM off Woolly asking if I was OK a while back, when he spotted it clearly wasn't in how I was posting.
He had picked up on on few posts himself about my health etc.

Utter class by the man, and at the time greatly appreciated.

And that's not 'brown nosing' a mod, cos he isn't anymore.

 

[chicoazul]

Talking about mods and PM's.

I got a PM off Woolly asking if I was OK a while back, when he spotted it clearly wasn't in how I was posting.
He had picked up on on few posts himself about my health etc.

Utter class by the man, and at the time greatly appreciated.

And that's not 'brown nosing' a mod, cos he isn't anymore.

@Woolly Blue made up an excuse to leave the mods because @GrandOldTeam is the Van Gaal of Forum Managers.

 

[Toast]

@Woolly Blue made up an excuse to leave the mods because @GrandOldTeam is the Van Gaal of Forum Managers.

The transition from regular / frequent poster to mod is tough I guess.

But a drunk mod online joining in with a thread is always nice.

 

[Sapie88]

Disappointed that this thread has deteriorated into a complete waste of time - for me at least.

Several on here - similar to the miserable arl git at the bar who thinks he owns it, are very quick to cite 'the old days' and quick enough to moan about the present - but when the moderators look for some feedback, they offer nothing by way of sensible, genuine feedback and/or solutions. Instead, they in effect, sabotage a genuine attempt to improve the forum with a load of nonsense... well done you.

Still, nice one to the few who contributed in response to the opening post - I've concluded;

• Majority consider the existing moderation to be very good;

Others want moderating to be more strict, others less strict - wanting more 'popcorn' and freedom to 'take the piss' for 'fun'. This is fine, but of course it's all down to context. This is what I'd encourage moderators to follow as a rule of thumb;



As for immediate improvements for the new season;

• Improvements

- More moderators, consider time zone.
- Users to see see their own warning points.
- Consider changing weighting of warning points, particularly for off topic posts;



- More leniency outside the Everton forum - less thread bans/thread closures.

To conclude, I think it's worth highlighting that some would do well to remember that moderators on here are volunteers who do their best to make this place the best place on the internet for Evertonians. We won't always get it right, but it's not all on the moderators to make GOT be the best it can...

So is @bluemangroup coming back?

 

[summerisle]

The transition from regular / frequent poster to mod is tough I guess.

But a drunk mod online joining in with a thread is always nice.

This,
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/the-drunk-thread.35765/page-63#post-1176526

 

[Donald Twain]

Talking about mods and PM's.

I got a PM off Woolly asking if I was OK a while back, when he spotted it clearly wasn't in how I was posting.
He had picked up on on few posts himself about my health etc.

Utter class by the man, and at the time greatly appreciated.

And that's not 'brown nosing' a mod, cos he isn't anymore.

he's quality that fella , I love him.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

So is @bluemangroup coming back?

Just checked - 51 individual warnings applied to his account - the latest this;

Think it's difficult to overemphasise the influence Phil Taylor has had on darts and those women I'm glad he sexually assaulted.

So, no. He won't be.