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Owen
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BadWool76
Player Valuation: £20m
Probably because he's actually quite ordinary.
Back to Owen. I admit that Owen should still have potential, Neil. However, I'm utterly unconvinced that he'll ever realise it again. A great footballer in his day, but things have changed, and he's not kept up with the changes. If he comes to us, it's for a final payday, not for the reasons I would like.
If truth be known, a striker isn't a priority anyway. A lot of people talk about Owen coming in on "free" as if it would cost us nothing. But the lid will demand £50k minimum. Over a 3 year contract, that would amount to £7.8m (I think). Add to that the distinct possibility that we'd pay him a signing on fee, and we're looking at blowing not far from £10m on him.
Sorry mate, but we don't need to go down that road. We've got Yakubu and Saha, two of the better strikers in the PL. We've also got Victor and Vaughan as back-up. Let's sort our midfield out first, and then we can worry about improving other areas.
Spot on . Owen is damaged goods
So you all wont be flooding to Goodison to welcome Owen signing then no? 
but i think for the wright wage package i would take the punt on him
TX Bill
Player Valuation: £80m
...and people on here are bitching about VDM being a drain on club resources?
1) We don't need another striker.
2) If we did, Owen wouldn't be our first choice.
3) Owen can't play in the midfield.
4) His wage demands would be more than we'd want to pay.
I could go on and on but suffice it to say, we need to spend wisely. I wouldn't count Owen at this juncture as a wise signing.
1) We don't need another striker.
2) If we did, Owen wouldn't be our first choice.
3) Owen can't play in the midfield.
4) His wage demands would be more than we'd want to pay.
I could go on and on but suffice it to say, we need to spend wisely. I wouldn't count Owen at this juncture as a wise signing.
Onslow
Player Valuation: £500k
So much about Newcastle remind me of Leeds 2004: comedy off the pitch and listless performances on it.
There are some clubs who get relegated but who have players who stand out for the consistent quality of their performances. Jagielka with the Blades impressed me because he matched versatility with quality wherever Warnock positioned him.
I haven't seen anyone at Newcastle who competes like that, including Owen. Like Leeds, they look like a cast of characters who are playing out the string and hoping their agents can find some other club who will pay them similar wages for sleepwalking.
I expect a player of Owen's calibre to face a relegation situation with a fighter's mentality. I'd expect him to score or create crucial goals for his club in the same manner Brian McBride did for Fulham upon his return late last year. He hasn't done that.
If he can't bring himself to reach for a higher standard of play in this situation for his current club, then what could we realistically expect from him in an Everton shirt in crucial situations over the course of the season?
There are some clubs who get relegated but who have players who stand out for the consistent quality of their performances. Jagielka with the Blades impressed me because he matched versatility with quality wherever Warnock positioned him.
I haven't seen anyone at Newcastle who competes like that, including Owen. Like Leeds, they look like a cast of characters who are playing out the string and hoping their agents can find some other club who will pay them similar wages for sleepwalking.
I expect a player of Owen's calibre to face a relegation situation with a fighter's mentality. I'd expect him to score or create crucial goals for his club in the same manner Brian McBride did for Fulham upon his return late last year. He hasn't done that.
If he can't bring himself to reach for a higher standard of play in this situation for his current club, then what could we realistically expect from him in an Everton shirt in crucial situations over the course of the season?
Rook
Player Valuation: £80m
In fairness to Owen under Keegan Owen had a decent run playing just behind the strikers in a Cahill like position.
Too much money. Plus the problem with Owen is that if he does start to turn back the clock he'll get picked for England so he's a long injury waiting to happen. Would only take if we could get him in a Saha like deal. Our teams problem isn't lack of good players, it lack of players who stay healthy.
Robin Sisland
Player Valuation: £5m
I think that just about sums him up.
He stopped being a serious player when realised it wasn't working in Spain. I'm not sure how far down his scale of priorities football falls these days but wages and horses are at the top.
The question really is do you think Owen is seriously past it or not. Personly i dont, safe to say hes been on his most inconsistent run of games and in the worse team since his career began. Despite that hes avreageing better then one every three games, which for him is seriously of form. I watched him this season and in some games particularly coming back form injury hes looked rusty and like any other mortal he needs 2-3 games to get his sharpness back. When he does and he has proved this this season he can score goals against top opposition and frankly always will. Your never past being a quality player when you have ability and anyone who watched Owen down through the years will see how his game has evolved and how clever he has become, relying less on his innate pace.
Does he still have the ability to score over 20 goals a season without doubt, hes scored half that this season. Incidently his last two lengthy injury lay offs are the result of incident tackles rather then anything to do with his body breaking down, how does that make him injury prone.
Id have him in a heart beat, seriously seriously quality player.
Imagine the goal threat in our team, with the Yak, Owen, Cahill, Mo Fro, who would you mark as centre half.
Does he still have the ability to score over 20 goals a season without doubt, hes scored half that this season. Incidently his last two lengthy injury lay offs are the result of incident tackles rather then anything to do with his body breaking down, how does that make him injury prone.
Id have him in a heart beat, seriously seriously quality player.
Imagine the goal threat in our team, with the Yak, Owen, Cahill, Mo Fro, who would you mark as centre half.
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kenada_blue
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I seriously dont get this bollocks about Owen "not wanting to play football" I just dont.
Is it because he went to a club offering him a big wage? That list is endless. Is it because he went to Real Madrid? Who wouldnt back then?
Give me a valid reason why he's done something so out of the ordinary to say his heart is not in football anymore?
To me he's got more commitment than Yakubu or Saha who have the body language of people that dont give a ****. But guess what? That's just them and they score goals. Isnt Owen the Barcodes top goalscorer this year? For an injury prone player in a ****e team, that's commitment for you IMO. He cant do much when he's injured, but when he's fit he scores goal. What more do you want from a striker?
He wouldnt come to us for a payday. We're far removed from a payday club and there'll be a lot of clubs willing to give him 90k a week for his services.
The board would give him a deal that wouldnt cripple the club, its what they club always do. If we didnt we'd be buying a load more other players on 70k a week.
People moan about squad depth of the club. Reason why that is, is because we cant afford to buy "squad players" or top up with back up with quality. There's a deal out with with Owen, who still has quality, for pocket change.
Is it because he went to a club offering him a big wage? That list is endless. Is it because he went to Real Madrid? Who wouldnt back then?
Give me a valid reason why he's done something so out of the ordinary to say his heart is not in football anymore?
To me he's got more commitment than Yakubu or Saha who have the body language of people that dont give a ****. But guess what? That's just them and they score goals. Isnt Owen the Barcodes top goalscorer this year? For an injury prone player in a ****e team, that's commitment for you IMO. He cant do much when he's injured, but when he's fit he scores goal. What more do you want from a striker?
He wouldnt come to us for a payday. We're far removed from a payday club and there'll be a lot of clubs willing to give him 90k a week for his services.
The board would give him a deal that wouldnt cripple the club, its what they club always do. If we didnt we'd be buying a load more other players on 70k a week.
People moan about squad depth of the club. Reason why that is, is because we cant afford to buy "squad players" or top up with back up with quality. There's a deal out with with Owen, who still has quality, for pocket change.
Nebbiolo
Valuation: £108 million
It isn't pocket change, mate. A 3 year contract would see us invest around the £10m mark, give or take a few quid. Moyes is looking to build a relatively young, passionate, stable squad. Owen just doesn't fit into that set-up in my view. A couple of years ago I would have said we should go for him. But thankfully we've moved on.
10 goals this season in a Newcastle side.
If he replicated that for us, and I see no reason why he wouldn't, he would be worth the £40,000 to £50,000 wage. He plays and scores more than Saha.
"He is past his best" - If he wasn't, we wouldn't have a chance in hell of signing him. In my opinion, he's not so far past his best that he wouldn't improve us.
Oh, and those Dubai lads looking through Premiership teams would recognise Owen and would no doubt like to show off having the Michael Owen playing card.
If he replicated that for us, and I see no reason why he wouldn't, he would be worth the £40,000 to £50,000 wage. He plays and scores more than Saha.
"He is past his best" - If he wasn't, we wouldn't have a chance in hell of signing him. In my opinion, he's not so far past his best that he wouldn't improve us.
Oh, and those Dubai lads looking through Premiership teams would recognise Owen and would no doubt like to show off having the Michael Owen playing card.
I would say we are in need of another striker. Will big vic ever make it?, will saha and vaughan ever last more than 5 matches without breaking down again? That leaves us with the Yak and tim who can play upfront. That said i totally agree owen is not the answer
kenada_blue
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But like I said, it the board feels they can manage it then I dont see why they shouldnt. In that 3 years, players will come and go, eventually or hopefully money will be invested, things would change to manage that £10mill cost.
I know Moyes is trying to build a young squad, but the Owen deal is just that, a deal. I've said we probably dont need him, its really up to Moyes. I'm sure he feels that the Saha deal was worth it this season as it adds an extra threat to a small squad. IMO if a deal with Owen can be struck it wouldnt affect another big money transfer for the club - for eg if Owen did sign we'd have enough for a Moutinho (wont happen but its an example) who would sign too, we'd be happy, right?
The reason why I think it generates interest is because its not a big transfer and wage fee, its a low transfer and maybe above are usual wage fee. You never know, Owen could just bite the bullet and take 40k with add ons if fit to prove he's still got it. Its something I hope we look into rather than not bother, try and strike a deal. Or is 40k too much for him?
I just feel a premier league club is going to get a good deal with him. Its a gamble, but transfers and football is about calculated gambles. We know what we get with Owen. I'd rather see an outcome of him banging goals in a blue shirt than watch the TV and see him doing it for Villa for eg and bemoan the fact we could've had him.
I know Moyes is trying to build a young squad, but the Owen deal is just that, a deal. I've said we probably dont need him, its really up to Moyes. I'm sure he feels that the Saha deal was worth it this season as it adds an extra threat to a small squad. IMO if a deal with Owen can be struck it wouldnt affect another big money transfer for the club - for eg if Owen did sign we'd have enough for a Moutinho (wont happen but its an example) who would sign too, we'd be happy, right?
The reason why I think it generates interest is because its not a big transfer and wage fee, its a low transfer and maybe above are usual wage fee. You never know, Owen could just bite the bullet and take 40k with add ons if fit to prove he's still got it. Its something I hope we look into rather than not bother, try and strike a deal. Or is 40k too much for him?
I just feel a premier league club is going to get a good deal with him. Its a gamble, but transfers and football is about calculated gambles. We know what we get with Owen. I'd rather see an outcome of him banging goals in a blue shirt than watch the TV and see him doing it for Villa for eg and bemoan the fact we could've had him.
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