panorama - poor america

[RAFUH]

Nothing personal McBain but America IS miles ahead of the world wen it comes to medicine. Why do many Canadians (with their socialized system) come to America for treatment?

There are very few citizens in this country who want a socialized medicine system and all of the problems that come with it.

The US has the most ADVANCED healthcare, but that's not the same as the best. We can transplant a face, but still have plenty of people dying from preventable or treatable diseases.

Most healthcare professionals want a single payer system or some kind of major overhaul. We know how badly the current system is f'd up. It's completely unsustainable.

 

[RAFUH]

Sorry mate, that is a crock.

I had health insurance subsidized by my company and it was still $200 a month. My plan, unsubsidized would have been over a grand a month with Blue Cross. A feckin' grand!!! Just how ridiculous is that?

It's all those kids.

Snot-nosed little things.

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

It's a bird, it's a plane....oh, it's that again.

 

[McBain]

Nothing personal McBain but America IS miles ahead of the world when it comes to medicine. Why do many Canadians (with their socialized system) come to America for treatment?

There are very few citizens in this country who want a socialized medicine system and all of the problems that come with it.

I just don't believe Hospitals should be paces to make money. They should be there to treat people, not exploit them. That people would be against this kind of program baffles me. Treatment for all! Not just those Wealthy Oil - Men types hehehe.

And Well Said Rafuh.

 

[Kneeg]

Pharmaceutical companies are just massive drug dealers ya know.

 

[KevO]

The US has the most ADVANCED healthcare, but that's not the same as the best. We can transplant a face, but still have plenty of people dying from preventable or treatable diseases.

Most healthcare professionals want a single payer system or some kind of major overhaul. We know how badly the current system is f'd up. It's completely unsustainable.

That's what I was saying earlier, JUST make some sort of payment system overhaul, maybe a flat rate, or maybe even charge it to some sort of public service and pay the bill at the end of the year (I know that would take massive oversight though, but it might be doable).

I just don't want the whole system socialized into some giant government organization, it's like taking it from one ****ty extreme to the other ****ty extreme.

 

[BigBlueBalls]

There's a guy on Mount Rushmoore that summarized what needs to be done with immigrants perfectly --

""In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907"

I don't live in Europe - but I gather places like Norway, France and England aren't too happy with the throngs of immigrants coming over and outright refusing to assimilate to a modernized Western culture.

Give the bleeders a chance, you'd have to funnel congealed saturated fat into them for weeks at the border before they could be classed as 110% americans. And where is the fat going to come from? Only so much can be retrieved from the electric chair that is predominantly used to execute individuals of African decent.

 

[BigBlueBalls]

Nothing personal McBain but America IS miles ahead of the world when it comes to medicine. Why do many Canadians (with their socialized system) come to America for treatment?

There are very few citizens in this country who want a socialized medicine system and all of the problems that come with it.

He said 'healthcare' not 'medicine'. No one can front that the best brains get the best facilities to discover the best cures in the good ol USA. What is the issue is that the then cures are only peddled to the American millionaires of this world.

Profit first, life a distant third. Not a good health policy, not a justifiable foreign policy. But this has been said before.

 

[BigBlueBalls]

Again, I'll repeat that it isn't perfect but like I said, I much prefer it over the alternatives.

Other alternatives? With respect and not in anyway being onside with anyone else, how would you feel if you couldn't afford the newest set of drugs to keep you and or your family going?

This goes to everyone - what really twists my tit is the attitude of the wealthy that everyone else can do without because they have somehow earned or inherited enough to be able to have. Elitism, we aren't talking about a Ferrari and 5 holidays a year, the basic right to life and to be able to be around to care for your family.

The spine tingling situation of homelessness, joblessness, futurelessness, that is the everyday in the USA whilst the rest carry on ought to be the wake up to start changing the situation.

Forget policing, lead by example in your own back yard first.

 

[edge]

i thought the most shocking part of the program was when they showed the debate on TV about, if somebody without health care was in a coma would you let them die and some of the crowd shouted yes and none of the candidates said that he should get care, shocking contempt for there own peoples lifes.
Maybe there is a middle way basic care for ever body, but topped up for wider care for those that can pay if the can or want have it, i know it would make a two tier health service but it would at least give ever body a safety net
.As for the illegals,well what can you do, if there not supposed to be there i wouldn't expect any country to provide a budget for them , if they need care possibly charge there county of origin for it and they might be a bit more willing to stop people entering the states take it out of any aid that is given to that country if they dont play ball.

 

[TheFinnFan]

The US has the most ADVANCED healthcare, but that's not the same as the best. We can transplant a face, but still have plenty of people dying from preventable or treatable diseases.

Most healthcare professionals want a single payer system or some kind of major overhaul. We know how badly the current system is f'd up. It's completely unsustainable.

mate, would you like to explain that. you have the high-tech for sure. but how does that benefit other than rich people.
when talking about healthcare in general, Usa aint even close to the top. no offence.

 

[Clint Planet]

I just don't want the whole system socialized into some giant government organization, it's like taking it from one ****ty extreme to the other ****ty extreme.

Why not? What harm would come of it? The American dear of centralised administration is a red herring and deeply unhelpful when one looks to solve many social issues. It is an unthinking mantra chanted repeatedly by Republicans who seem to have no desire to think for themselves. In all honesty, it makes them look faintly ridiculous to European eyes.

 

[Clint Planet]

Other alternatives? With respect and not in anyway being onside with anyone else, how would you feel if you couldn't afford the newest set of drugs to keep you and or your family going?

This goes to everyone - what really twists my tit is the attitude of the wealthy that everyone else can do without because they have somehow earned or inherited enough to be able to have. Elitism, we aren't talking about a Ferrari and 5 holidays a year, the basic right to life and to be able to be around to care for your family.

The spine tingling situation of homelessness, joblessness, futurelessness, that is the everyday in the USA whilst the rest carry on ought to be the wake up to start changing the situation.

Forget policing, lead by example in your own back yard first.

Communist.

 

[RAFUH]

That's what I was saying earlier, JUST make some sort of payment system overhaul, maybe a flat rate, or maybe even charge it to some sort of public service and pay the bill at the end of the year (I know that would take massive oversight though, but it might be doable).

I just don't want the whole system socialized into some giant government organization, it's like taking it from one ****ty extreme to the other ****ty extreme.

Just semantics darlin'.... but if it makes you feel better, I'll call it whatever you want

mate, would you like to explain that. you have the high-tech for sure. but how does that benefit other than rich people.
when talking about healthcare in general, Usa aint even close to the top. no offence.

I think you misunderstood my post. I was trying to say that just because we have advanced (high-tech) medicine does NOT mean we have a good overall healthcare system.

Opponents to universal/national healthcare often use the red-herring defense of "we have the best healthcare.... people come to the US for procedures/treatment/surgery", etc to try to prove we have the best healthcare in the world.

It's a duplicitous argument.

 

[johnnydawg68]

Medicare works for people over 59, it can work for everyone...better in fact, because when you put younger, healthier people into the risk pool, cost can go down. It's a specious argument to say that it would be poorly run because the government is involved, because it works now. I don't want the government involved in everything by a long shot, but this is one area that cries out for it.

The private insurance market will stop at nothing to keep this from happening, which I understand. They have their business to protect, but that doesn't mean it's the best, most rational way to deliver healthcare. Even the majority of older, conservative voters don't want their Medicare privatized, so one could argue that it's only conservatives who have no personal experience with Medicare that are against it.