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Paulo Fonseca

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Stephenlloyd said:
Bernard was linked with going to Beşiktaş the other day. Even though quite a few people had him going to inter last week
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If Fonseca came here , surely we could offer more money than either Besiktas and Inter.
A free transfer, modest signing on fee , 120k a week in wages and a reasonable release clause would probably do it.
Anybody else on the list eorth looking at ??
 
Brisan123 said:
If Fonseca came here , surely we could offer more money than either Besiktas and Inter.
A free transfer, modest signing on fee , 120k a week in wages and a reasonable release clause would probably do it.
Anybody else on the list eorth looking at ??
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Probably only the centre forward, who I think was at Blackburn and struggled. Srna is a very good player but past his best now.
 

Wat Tyler said:
I trust you have all seen the quotes about him negotiating a new deal to stay in Ukraine.


http://sportwitness.co.uk/negotiations-underway-everton-managerial-target-discusses-future/
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To save giving that garbage site a click. He doesn't exactly say anything groundbreaking.

https://shakhtar.com/en/news/2018/april/14_news/14_fonseca/

- Can you say when you’ll decide to extend or not extend your deal with Shakhtar?
- There’s no deadline or a fixed date. Negotiations are underway.
 
Charles Hawtrey said:
WTF must he be thinking right now. We are a joke of a club at the moment!
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Don't think he'd be bothered mate, the more turmoil prior will just make any new manager even more popular dye to the mess prior now.

If it leads to the owner clearing out a lot if baggage it'll make any new managers job a whole lot easier.
 
Wat Tyler said:
I trust you have all seen the quotes about him negotiating a new deal to stay in Ukraine.


http://sportwitness.co.uk/negotiations-underway-everton-managerial-target-discusses-future/
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Connor said:
To save giving that garbage site a click. He doesn't exactly say anything groundbreaking.

https://shakhtar.com/en/news/2018/april/14_news/14_fonseca/

- Can you say when you’ll decide to extend or not extend your deal with Shakhtar?
- There’s no deadline or a fixed date. Negotiations are underway.
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..lifestyle choices, salary and the profile of the league must be defining factors for these blokes. I don’t know what Ukraine is like, but the attraction of living in the U.K. on a massive salary pitting his skills against some of the best known managers in world football has to be a major plus. I wouldn’t underestimate the pull of a club like Everton.
 
Eggs said:
..lifestyle choices, salary and the profile of the league must be defining factors for these blokes. I don’t know what Ukraine is like, but the attraction of living in the U.K. on a massive salary pitting his skills against some of the best known managers in world football has to be a major plus. I wouldn't underestimate the pull of a club like Everton.
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Mate they can't play in their home stadium as it's been blown to bits, they live in another city as it's not safe in Donetsk.

Safe to say it's not gonna be a great lifestyle choice to stay there :)


Comes down to if we can sell the club to a manager - IF we can't then we have a lot more issues than whose manager and the club ultimately in gonna be on a steady downward trajectory

For me anyway, this summer is possibly the biggest in the clubs history i can remember, we decide to keep various people in position - Elstone, Woods, Walsh, Allardyce, Kenwright, then the club has effectively given up any pretext of ambition and for a lot i think it will be a final disconnect, they may still turn up on Saturdays - but it will be out of routine nothing else, and once you lose that connection - good luck ever trying to get it back.

Allardyce is the most visible symptom of the disease thats infected the club, need to cut out all the cause of it to recover

If what BFS said was true and our Chairman is apologising for asking fan opinion - something we have done before, and he is feeling able to say that at a press conference as well - then that's shameful, shows Bill as the weak man he is, same weak man who cried on the phone to his mum at selling 'his boy Rooney'. Was always OK with the idea Blue Bill could stay on in a honorary roll, now just want the cancer away from this club and us to do a Shankley job on him - barring him from ever coming within a mile of the place.
 

bluestevon said:
Mate they can't play in their home stadium as it's been blown to bits, they live in another city as it's not safe in Donetsk.

Safe to say it's not gonna be a great lifestyle choice to stay there :)


Comes down to if we can sell the club to a manager - IF we can't then we have a lot more issues than whose manager and the club ultimately in gonna be on a steady downward trajectory

For me anyway, this summer is possibly the biggest in the clubs history i can remember, we decide to keep various people in position - Elstone, Woods, Walsh, Allardyce, Kenwright, then the club has effectively given up any pretext of ambition and for a lot i think it will be a final disconnect, they may still turn up on Saturdays - but it will be out of routine nothing else, and once you lose that connection - good luck ever trying to get it back.

Allardyce is the most visible symptom of the disease thats infected the club, need to cut out all the cause of it to recover

If what BFS said was true and our Chairman is apologising for asking fan opinion - something we have done before, and he is feeling able to say that at a press conference as well - then that's shameful, shows Bill as the weak man he is, same weak man who cried on the phone to his mum at selling 'his boy Rooney'. Was always OK with the idea Blue Bill could stay on in a honorary roll, now just want the cancer away from this club and us to do a Shankley job on him - barring him from ever coming within a mile of the place.
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Everton or a chaotic war zone? It shouldn't be a hard choice that ... should it?

Whilst I agree with you about binning that shower off asap, it has to be done as one quick action to shorten the time of such huge impact or done gradually to maintain stability. I think we are at a point where so many of that list have to leave or are leaving, that it's going to be a bloodbath in terms of personnel at the top being changed. It'll totally goose us next season I'm sure. I hope I can back myself to not lose my support in the new guy over any rocky periods next season until the club finds it feet again. Can Fonseca be the man to keep it altogether in this scenario? I hope so.

As for Bill leaving and being shunted off to wander about on match days mumbling about how he has been hard done by - I do not see this happening at all. I can see him in an honourary position being wheeled out to glad handle the media and fans during corporate events and match days. I hope that when he goes, he is afforded respect for all his efforts, no matter what some of us think. Most Evertonians understand that once you're an Evertonian, that's it until you shuffle off the mortal coil. Bill is an Evertonian of high standing, and should remain as such for as long as he is around.
 
Yarrgh said:
Everton or a chaotic war zone? It shouldn't be a hard choice that ... should it?

Whilst I agree with you about binning that shower off asap, it has to be done as one quick action to shorten the time of such huge impact or done gradually to maintain stability. I think we are at a point where so many of that list have to leave or are leaving, that it's going to be a bloodbath in terms of personnel at the top being changed. It'll totally goose us next season I'm sure. I hope I can back myself to not lose my support in the new guy over any rocky periods next season until the club finds it feet again. Can Fonseca be the man to keep it altogether in this scenario? I hope so.

As for Bill leaving and being shunted off to wander about on match days mumbling about how he has been hard done by - I do not see this happening at all. I can see him in an honourary position being wheeled out to glad handle the media and fans during corporate events and match days. I hope that when he goes, he is afforded respect for all his efforts, no matter what some of us think. Most Evertonians understand that once you're an Evertonian, that's it until you shuffle off the mortal coil. Bill is an Evertonian of high standing, and should remain as such for as long as he is around.
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I disagree about Kenwright, but won't get into it here mate, just my own opinion on the man at his time at us isn't good.

My own take - gradual change won't work, because the old guard are far too comfortable, too settled in positions and all it will do is cause divide after divide - be like when companies merge and they decide to incorporate two seperate offices as one with a mix of staff and mangement positions etc, it is always a mess.

Need to just cut out as much as can be possibly done in one stroke, yeah some 'hangers on' can be left hanging round for another day to be got shut of, but their can't remain any core problem at the club - because it will just reinfect and spread again and you are left with the same issue all over again.

See Walsh managing to get Allardyce in - when in reality he himself should have been out the door at the same time or prior to Koeman, now because of that - have you noticed the Allardyce thing is dominating the media coverage - Walsh has slipped into the background very much and has given himself the chance to ride this out, rinse repeat etc
 
Eggs said:
..lifestyle choices, salary and the profile of the league must be defining factors for these blokes. I don’t know what Ukraine is like, but the attraction of living in the U.K. on a massive salary pitting his skills against some of the best known managers in world football has to be a major plus. I wouldn’t underestimate the pull of a club like Everton.
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I am firmly of the belief that he will be here next season. I mean, I’ve been wrong before but it’s all just adding up.

Not even playing at your home stadium or living in Cheshire with a few million quid signing bonus? Not too hard.
 
bluestevon said:
I disagree about Kenwright, but won't get into it here mate, just my own opinion on the man at his time at us isn't good.

My own take - gradual change won't work, because the old guard are far too comfortable, too settled in positions and all it will do is cause divide after divide - be like when companies merge and they decide to incorporate two seperate offices as one with a mix of staff and mangement positions etc, it is always a mess.

Need to just cut out as much as can be possibly done in one stroke, yeah some 'hangers on' can be left hanging round for another day to be got shut of, but their can't remain any core problem at the club - because it will just reinfect and spread again and you are left with the same issue all over again.

See Walsh managing to get Allardyce in - when in reality he himself should have been out the door at the same time or prior to Koeman, now because of that - have you noticed the Allardyce thing is dominating the media coverage - Walsh has slipped into the background very much and has given himself the chance to ride this out, rinse repeat etc
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Oh I do believe the 'night of the long knives' at Everton is coming soon. I'm sure that most of the in-coming players in this saga are prepared for this now. It's why I think Fonseca is a good shout as manager - once he's sorted out his time at Shaktar, then I wouldn't be surprised to see him, Brands and Ryazantsev all appear in the same press conference and a couple of the incumbents trying to understand why their security passes aren't opening the door anymore or they can't log onto the IT system anymore.

I do believe that Kenwright will be a polarising issue with the fanbase. I agree that with hindsight (be careful of the understatement that is about to follow!) that his reign has been so full of regrettable incidents and gaffs that if this was any other industry than football that he'd have been run out of town a long time ago, but it ain't, and a lot of fans still are fond of Blue Bill. Whatever they do, they'll have to tread carefully with what happens with Bill. I hope he himself offers a suitable role at the club where he is not interfering in day to day affairs.
 

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