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2018/19 Phil Jagielka

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carolinablue232 said:
I’ll take that as a no.
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Come on, Cahill?

Obviously people use different criteria to each other, but in an organisation that's been at the forefront of English football for the best part of 140 years - coupled with the fact that most clubs have a handful of legends - does Cahill get in that legend company?
 
davek said:
Come on, Cahill?

Obviously people use different criteria to each other, but in an organisation that's been at the forefront of English football for the best part of 140 years - coupled with the fact that most clubs have a handful of legends - does Cahill get in that legend company?
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Was only asking because I’ve seen some others give him that status. I tend to actually agree with you on the “club legend” stuff. Same way I view hall of fame status for other sports over here. You have to be really special to get in that club.
 
davek said:
Come on, Cahill?

Obviously people use different criteria to each other, but in an organisation that's been at the forefront of English football for the best part of 140 years - coupled with the fact that most clubs have a handful of legends - does Cahill get in that legend company?
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I’d say club legend criteria is someone who has made an outstanding contribution to the club. For example, either in what they won whilst playing for the club, Dean record scorer, Southall most international caps and appearances and above all else world class players who have worn the shirt with distinction and pride. Naturally I never saw them play but I think we could add Tommy Lawton and Joe Mercer to that group you mentioned. Both were outstanding footballers and appreciated by all fans in their heyday.
 
It’s a tad subjective so GOT being divided as to whether Capt Jags is an ‘Everton Great’ or not is hardly surprising.
For mine?...he’s amazing. I watch him sometimes and just shake my head...words fail me
 

The suspension might do him a favour, keep him out of the spotlight for a while. If we want to do anything this season though we need to be perfect. We’re not one of those teams that are ever going to get even a fair ride from officials so we can’t make it easy for them like we did on Saturday. The harsh truth is Jagielka threw away 2 points. Given our away form over the last few years a win in Silva’s first away game would have been huge, we would have been pumped up for Southampton too, instead now there’s the usual nervy feeling about the place. We just can’t keep carrying these types of players who have the ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. It happens over and over again and the more it does the more it self perpetuates.
 
carolinablue232 said:
Was only asking because I’ve seen some others give him that status. I tend to actually agree with you on the “club legend” stuff. Same way I view hall of fame status for other sports over here. You have to be really special to get in that club.
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No one will ever retire the number 6 shirt when Jagielka is finally led out to the paddock.
 
rochdaleblue said:
I’d say club legend criteria is someone who has made an outstanding contribution to the club. For example, either in what they won whilst playing for the club, Dean record scorer, Southall most international caps and appearances and above all else world class players who have worn the shirt with distinction and pride. Naturally I never saw them play but I think we could add Tommy Lawton and Joe Mercer to that group you mentioned. Both were outstanding footballers and appreciated by all fans in their heyday.
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Exactly, which is way too high a bar for Jagielka and Cahill.
 

rochdaleblue said:
I’d say club legend criteria is someone who has made an outstanding contribution to the club. For example, either in what they won whilst playing for the club, Dean record scorer, Southall most international caps and appearances and above all else world class players who have worn the shirt with distinction and pride. Naturally I never saw them play but I think we could add Tommy Lawton and Joe Mercer to that group you mentioned. Both were outstanding footballers and appreciated by all fans in their heyday.
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No legends since 1987 then. I don't think anybody from that FA Cup win in 95 could be classed a legend, obviously bar Big Nev who had already cemented his legendary status long before that.

I personally think the term legend is very subjective, many people (not me) class Duncan as a legend as he represented the Dogs of War never-give-up attitude of the 90s which saw us stay in the league despite our shortcomings, something a lot of Scousers could relate to.

I look at Tim Cahill and he's the closest to a legend for me because he was a virtual nobody when he joined us and could surely have jumped ship to much better teams in his time here, yet became probably a bigger Blue than most of us and you know even now he's thankful to have had the opportunity to represent Everton. And that's not mentioning how influential he was on the pitch.

Phil Jagielka was, at best, a decent Premier League centre back. He is a poor captain, has a pretty poor goalscoring record as a centre back and has been a mainstay of a number of piss poor back fours that we've had over the years. He was good with Lescott, but maybe that's more credit to Lescott who scored way more goals and looked far more dangerous than Jagielka.

Basically, though, if somebody wants to call player x, y or z a legend I have no problem with it, as they've probably got their own personal reasons for it and that's something we cannot and should not argue with.
 
Toffe3m4n said:
Hard to call anyone a 'great' within the last 20 years when we've won f all during that time to be honest.
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I think Capt Jags' qualities that delineate 'greatness' were intangible. Trophies? no...but where Everton Football Club would be without the steel Capt Jags lent the operation?...well, it doesn't bear thinking about.

#legend
 

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