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POTUS 2016

Push the button, pull the lever, who's it going to be?

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neil999 said:
democrat/clinton machine will destroy him i reckon
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Not sure that it will, to be honest.

To ignore for a moment the many flaws around her own candidacy (of which the emails thing is the worst, though there is also her record as Secretary of State (which is almost uniformly bad), Senate record and the rest of the Clinton issues), for her to be relying on machine politics when we are living in an era where people increasingly dislike machine politics and the associated political class, and when she looks like being up against a candidate who may well have just destroyed a whole sequence of machine politicians and the system that created them, is perhaps not the best plan.
 
tsubaki said:
Not sure that it will, to be honest.

To ignore for a moment the many flaws around her own candidacy (of which the emails thing is the worst, though there is also her record as Secretary of State (which is almost uniformly bad), Senate record and the rest of the Clinton issues), for her to be relying on machine politics when we are living in an era where people increasingly dislike machine politics and the associated political class, and when she looks like being up against a candidate who may well have just destroyed a whole sequence of machine politicians and the system that created them, is perhaps not the best plan.
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apparently 2 polls came out with her AND sanders above trump in an election scenario, i think anyone with any sense will not vote for trump even if the alternative isnt palatable

and polls are always right! lol
 

https://t.co/z634ij1C6Z

Clinton and Sanders both easily beat Trump in latest national poll.

If Trump beats Cruz in his home state of Texas tonight it's almost certainly Trump vs Clinton.

Clinton is the most experienced candidate ever, she'll have huge backing among minority groups and the family name itself is worth a few points. Despite all his scandals people remember Bills time in office fondly, Hillary will not doubt benefit from this. Yes I'm also aware she is some what of a love hate figure but those that tend to hate her are already staunch Republicans. Polls show among independents she is well out in front vs Trump.

I get what you are saying about machine politics but as we saw over here during GE15 fear is a strong tool, with such outlandish claims moderate Americans simply will not tolerate Trump
 
rascal said:
I'm only here, no need to shout! lol



You know, I've been thinking, in the future, with the way things are going, surely The Rock has to make a run for presidency. He's quite progressive but is a known Republican.
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If I said "you could do worse than him," what I mean is, "I wish he were running in this election."
 
chewee said:
https://t.co/z634ij1C6Z

Clinton and Sanders both easily beat Trump in latest national poll.

If Trump beats Cruz in his home state of Texas tonight it's almost certainly Trump vs Clinton.

Clinton is the most experienced candidate ever, she'll have huge backing among minority groups and the family name itself is worth a few points. Despite all his scandals people remember Bills time in office fondly, Hillary will not doubt benefit from this. Yes I'm also aware she is some what of a love hate figure but those that tend to hate her are already staunch Republicans. Polls show among independents she is well out in front vs Trump.

I get what you are saying about machine politics but as we saw over here during GE15 fear is a strong tool, with such outlandish claims moderate Americans simply will not tolerate Trump
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Those are bizarre poll numbers, though - even more so when you look at the breakdown of the poll here. Both Cruz and Rubio beat Clinton, when they are several places down the list when their actual policy positions are assessed?
 

tsubaki said:
Apparently Trump is ahead everywhere apart from Texas, but even there Cruz isn't far enough ahead to take all the delegates.

Tonight will probably kill off three of the remaining five lizards, with Carson, Cruz and Rubio consigned to the dustbin.
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Carson won't drop out. He's the public face of a pyramid scheme (the basis of most Republican politics), and not an actual candidate. He'll quit when the money, and not the votes, stop coming in, and that's unlikely to happen soon.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...-chief-at-the-center-of-campaign-storm-217575

many Republican candidates only really run so they can get paid to go on television and to do marketing for various predatory scams. this is partly why there were initially so many.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/super-pac-scams-114581

Cruz will stay in if he wins Texas, and this will be good for Trump because it keeps the opposition divided.

Trump will almost certainly have to publicly appear in a courtroom in the next few months to answer a lawsuit relating to his pyramid scheme "university." this is his version of Hillary's looming email scandal. the Republicans will be desperate to usurp him before then, but there's not really anything they can do. the more they attack him, the more his voters sympathize. voters identify with him emotionally, and viscerally. his successes are experienced as their successes, and they take personal attacks against him personally. still, while his base consists of true believers, the notion of one of the duopoly's presidential candidates on the stand for fraud during an election will transcend even American standards of decorum for most voters.

like Carson, Trump is essentially a mascot-for-hire for scams. criminals pay him to brand their assorted schemes, because he signals prosperity to the dimmer and more vulgar of America's white petit-bourgeois. he doesn't actually produce anything, business-wise. he doesn't actually build or design anything that has his name on it - he's brought in at the final stages as a mercenary ruse that tempts fools to part with their money
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-...xico-condo-resort-lawsuit-20131127-story.html

there are many similar examples

he is not unusual in this regard, among his party
it is striking how much the Republican Party resembles a pyramid scheme. this started when they were in the wilderness in the 1960s, and far-right Reagan and John Birch and Goldwater people noticed how much money religious and conspiracy hucksters were able to extract from mailing lists. extremist politics became just another product added to the inventory
http://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-long-con

the Hillary v Trump question is interesting. conventional wisdom says she would almost certainly win, but Trump has defied this in every instance thus far, and she couldn't possibly be more "establishment" during a campaign when that could scarcely be more pejorative. in some ways Bernie is much more credible challenger to Trump, but this would alarm the Democrats' moneyed patrons, and Republicans will paint him as Che Guevara for trying to turn the US into a modern, developed country.

this will have some impact, because of Americans' peculiar understanding of how they stand relative to the rest of the world. if you go to China, a country that shares America's almost religious sense of self-importance, people are well aware of how far behind the rest of the world they are, and if the Party isn't seen to be making demonstrable progress in closing this gap, there is unrest.

Poor Americans are just as and in many ways even more miserable than their Chinese counterparts (they can't even take clean water for granted anymore, led alone basic health care, and their lives are getting worse, not better). but they nonetheless cling to the notion that they are blessed to live in The Greatest Country That God Has Ever Created. thus, there is no real political pressure to improve their lot, and indeed, their voting patterns only worsen their plight. their anger expresses itself uselessly, as Trump. American political order rests on the fact that the average walmart worker making 5.25$/hour to work 60 hours a week with no representation or even health care still thinks to themselves, with religious conviction, "at least I'm not a unionized German worker! That would be truly horrific!"

nothing is really going to change much politically until these sorts of attitudes change.
 
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abelard said:
Trump will almost certainly have to publicly appear in a courtroom in the next few months to answer a lawsuit relating to his pyramid scheme "university." this is his version of Hillary's looming email scandal. the Republicans will be desperate to usurp him before then, but there's not really anything they can do. the more they attack him, the more his voters sympathize. voters identify with him emotionally, and viscerally. his successes are experienced as their successes, and they take personal attacks against him personally. still, while his base consists of true believers, the notion of one of the duopoly's presidential candidates on the stand for fraud during an election will transcend even American standards of decorum for most voters.
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That was a scam, but the important difference between that and what Clinton is faced with is that the Trump "University" thing is (for the moment anyway) a civil lawsuit; the Clinton one is criminal.
 
Meanwhile, unnoticed, Uncle Sam’s financial statements are so bad the Government Accountability Office (GAO) flunked him for the 19th year in a row.

The Department of Defense, Department of Housing and Urban Development, and Department of Agriculture have books in such bad shape coupled with the country’s out of control debt and spending, that GAO “did not render an opinion on the federal government’s consolidated financial statements"...

http://www.gao.gov//press/usgov_financial_report_unable_pass_gao_audit.htm?source=ra
 

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