POTUS 2016

Push the button, pull the lever, who's it going to be?

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kithnou said:
and I bet she still walks away after that with more delegates (superdelegates) in this rigged
contest.
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The superdelegates thing is overblown. If the popular vote turns, they'll turn too. That's what happened in 2008, hundreds of them switched after the results started going Obama's way.

I say this as a Sanders supporter, mind.
 

Garrick said:
The superdelegates thing is overblown. If the popular vote turns, they'll turn too. That's what happened in 2008, hundreds of them switched after the results started going Obama's way.

I say this as a Sanders supporter, mind.
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James Comey is the superduperdelegate who will have the very best say about Hillary's chances this year. He's really Bernie's best hope.

Otherwise I think @kithnou has it pegged. It the Republicans were more competent and organized, they'd do much the same, but they're the stupid party.

SerenityNigh said:
A lot of reasonable people have unfortunately racist roots.
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It's no picnic being a white boy from the south. People make all kinds of assumptions. These people need to listen all the way through this.

 
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Prevenger17 said:
Trump has confounded expectations thus far, it would be foolish to write him off now. Nobody predicted he'd make it past the first debate let alone sweep up in the primaries.
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It will come down to turn out. I am worried too many democrats will feel like there is no way Trump could win and not turn out to vote. Already see it in the primaries.
 
Hellerad said:
The problem is that the answer to "Who would want to be President?" is "The wrong sort of person."
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We had a genuinely nice, reasonable guy in the White House once in the modern era and we threw him out on his ass after one term because he dared to tell us that maybe, just maybe, we weren't going to have our cake and eat it, too. At least Jimmy Carter gave birth to homebrewing before we threw him out.

mezzrow said:
It's no picnic being a white boy from the south. People make all kinds of assumptions. These people need to listen all the way through this.
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I hear ya. It's funny how Northerners often get a pass on this, when you could quite easily make the case that my state of Wisconsin is one of the most racist states in the union. Incarceration rates, employment rates, levels of school funding, hell there were some Milwaukee suburbs that until recently were practically off limits to Black people.

Just last year a suburban Milwaukee jewelry store called the cops on a Bucks player who had the audacity to come check out the wares he could most definitely afford. And this was in one of the supposed liberal suburbs.

Trump's kind of populist (implicitly white) nationalism transcends the normal political spectrum. By policy, Trump is actually way to the left of the entire Republican field. As @RAFUH is getting at, letting him anywhere near the general election is playing Russia roulette with the entire country and every bit of progress we've made.
 
RAFUH said:
It will come down to turn out. I am worried too many democrats will feel like there is no way Trump could win and not turn out to vote. Already see it in the primaries.
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Do they call it the "Hillary effect" for the lack of enthusiasm?
 

Garrick said:
We had a genuinely nice, reasonable guy in the White House once in the modern era and we threw him out on his ass after one term because he dared to tell us that maybe, just maybe, we weren't going to have our cake and eat it, too. At least Jimmy Carter gave birth to homebrewing before we threw him out.



I hear ya. It's funny how Northerners often get a pass on this, when you could quite easily make the case that my state of Wisconsin is one of the most racist states in the union. Incarceration rates, employment rates, levels of school funding, hell there were some Milwaukee suburbs that until recently were practically off limits to Black people.

Just last year a suburban Milwaukee jewelry store called the cops on a Bucks player who had the audacity to come check out the wares he could most definitely afford. And this was in one of the supposed liberal suburbs.

Trump's kind of populist (implicitly white) nationalism transcends the normal political spectrum. By policy, Trump is actually way to the left of the entire Republican field. As @RAFUH is getting at, letting him anywhere near the general election is playing Russia roulette with the entire country and every bit of progress we've made.
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It would take a big "if" for the Dems to lose the election, but it would also serve them right for the quality of candidate they are going with, and, the gerrymander they are forcing on the people... to accept their "anointed one".
 

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