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[Efcjake]

See what I mean about the witch hunt.

Always the victim

 

[Efcjake]

Yeah at this point I'm calling bullshit on this.

Definitely a pattern.

Gets battered arguing over NHS stats and claims to be a front line worker for the NHS.

Gets battered over BAME related stats and claims to be BAME.

Someone post something about animal rights and he will be claiming he's a giraffe to bolster his argument.

 

[Old Blue 2]

See what I mean about the witch hunt.

Here are my questions that I posted earlier to you, and which you have not yet responded:
"...So, where is the other post in the photo?
100% in line with the one that we can see (the nearest one)?
And the black thing ahead of the ball? Would that be the GK's glove(s), with clear daylight between it and the post?
I would welcome your answers..."

Perfectly reasonable questions, I would say.
Can you answer them, or are you not interested in engaging in reasonable debate?

 

[gwladysnight]

As other posters have said, it seems highly dubious. You are a name in a screen on to me. One that refuses to accept racism exists, and worse still accuses those members of the BAME community if supporting a report into it as being the cause of their own suffering (thus absolving the government).

You've also proven time and again to be an unreliable witness. So essentially I have very little faith in that whatsoever.

What I would say though, is where a name on the internet makes disgraceful, hurtful and inaccurate statements about the existence of racism, then its important people challenge that. Otherwise the poison spreads.

Says the poster who came out with 'a black professor' nonsense on multiple occasions.

Please back up your accusation that I have denied that racism exists. It is a complete and utter fabrication and you know it. I can't believe how you get away with it.

 

[NathDogg]

Cos its not for the players, its for the viewers.

Customers goat, customers!

 

[gwladysnight]

Definitely a pattern.

Gets battered arguing over NHS stats and claims to be a front line worker for the NHS.

Gets battered over BAME related stats and claims to be BAME.

Someone post something about animal rights and he will be claiming he's a giraffe to bolster his argument.

Last week I stated at that time that seasonal deaths were below the average for this time of year. That assertion was proved correct in the Downing Street press conference a couple of days ago.

Surely a Kangaroo would be a more fitting example given the type of trial you are attempting to preside over. Next you will accuse me of being another poster just because we both end our sentences with full stops.

 

[catcherintherye]

Says the poster who came out with 'a black professor' nonsense on multiple occasions.

Please back up your accusation that I have denied that racism exists. It is a complete and utter fabrication and you know it. I can't believe how you get away with it.

The professor in question was black.

When a report on systemic racism was provided you went on to attack the people who supported the report and tried to explain it to you, patiently over a prolonged period. Eventually peoples patience runs out.

I dont particularly mind your difference in views, but you started personalizing the discussion very early on. Eventually people grow sick of you miss representing them, not answering their questions, making unacceptable and spurious accusations towards them and not taking any responsibility for what you post.

Try not to do these things, and you will find you get a better response. I cant make it any clearer than that really can I?

 

[catcherintherye]

Last week I stated at that time that seasonal deaths were below the average for this time of year. That assertion was proved correct in the Downing Street press conference a couple of days ago.

Surely a Kangaroo would be a more fitting example given the type of trial you are attempting to preside over. Next you will accuse me of being another poster just because we both end our sentences with full stops.

Well if Downing street have said that, its Tory propaganda and not born out by the ONS at all.

 

[gwladysnight]

Here are my questions that I posted earlier to you, and which you have not yet responded:
"...So, where is the other post in the photo?
100% in line with the one that we can see (the nearest one)?
And the black thing ahead of the ball? Would that be the GK's glove(s), with clear daylight between it and the post?
I would welcome your answers..."

Perfectly reasonable questions, I would say.
Can you answer them, or are you not interested in engaging in reasonable debate?

I would say that the camera was slightly behind the bye line. As the far post looks thicker unless it is just a shadow. The keepers gloves are behind the ball I think. My guess would be that the frame of this image is slightly behind the image that shows the ball behind the post.

Again another guess I think that hawkeye has been tricked because it is a very unusual situation. Hawkeye works on tracking the flight of the ball and looks for a gap between the ball and the goal line. That gap however small would indicate that the whole of the ball had crossed the whole of the line.

What made the situation unusual is that Hawkeye looks to track the flight of the ball. In this situation there is contact between the keeper and the ball at all times. There is contact between the Sheff U player and the keeper and then the ball is hidden by the post. Because you are trying to compare a 3d situation in 2d the software needs more than one source that shows daylight between the ball and the goal line.

I think it is more likely to be a glitch in the system rather than anything more sinister.

 

[gwladysnight]

The professor in question was black.

Professors should be judged on their qualifications and track record and not on the colour of their skin.

When a report on systemic racism was provided you went on to attack the people who supported the report and tried to explain it to you, patiently over a prolonged period. Eventually peoples patience runs out.

The report wasn't about systemic racism. The report showed that BAME individuals had a worse outcome with COVID-19. Over and over again I pointed out that was almost certainly down to deprivation and exposure. Deprivation causes underlying health conditions such as diabetes, heart disease etc. That leads to a worse outcome. The causes of deprivation are undoubtedly related to racism.

I dont particularly mind your difference in views, but you started personalizing the discussion very early on. Eventually people grow sick of you miss representing them, not answering their questions, making unacceptable and spurious accusations towards them and not taking any responsibility for what you post.

Try not to do these things, and you will find you get a better response. I cant make it any clearer than that really can I?

I apologize if you feel I have made things personal but you freely admit that you purposefully say the worst things you can think of just to provoke a reaction. To be honest I don't have a problem in a Football thread but you have said things in this thread that have put the general population at higher risk.

 

[Efcjake]

Last week I stated at that time that seasonal deaths were below the average for this time of year. That assertion was proved correct in the Downing Street press conference a couple of days ago.

Surely a Kangaroo would be a more fitting example given the type of trial you are attempting to preside over. Next you will accuse me of being another poster just because we both end our sentences with full stops.

@Baileyjon

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/echo-comment-fears-of-witch-hunt-against-liverpool-fc-part-2.103895/page-1325#post-6981046

You can't say things like that. You are the self appointed judge, jury and chief executioner for this kangaroo court

 

[catcherintherye]

Professors should be judged on their qualifications and track record and not on the colour of their skin.



The report wasn't about systemic racism. The report showed that BAME individuals had a worse outcome with COVID-19. Over and over again I pointed out that was almost certainly down to deprivation and exposure. Deprivation causes underlying health conditions such as diabetes, heart disease etc. That leads to a worse outcome. The causes of deprivation are undoubtedly related to racism.



I apologize if you feel I have made things personal but you freely admit that you purposefully say the worst things you can think of just to provoke a reaction. To be honest I don't have a problem in a Football thread but you have said things in this thread that have put the general population at higher risk.

Of course they should. Noting their ethnicity in a debate about racism doesnt do that.

You are repeating spurious and ridiculous comments. The report doesnt show what you think. You were wrong. Factors beyond deprivation are at play. Your first response was to attack people who supported this report.

I have not admitted to doing anything of the sort. If you keep lying about people they get cross with you.
I said with LFC I will sometimes outline what a worst case scenario might be. At no point have I said it is to provoke a reaction. Ironically my predictions, meant slightly tongue in cheek are far more accurate than almost every Kopite prediction you see.

I have said nothing in this thread that has put lives at risk. Its frankly another insulting, unhelpful and completely ridiculous remark. You keep making silly statements like this and wonder why people get angry with you.

All I've said is that we need to take the response more seriously, and the governments messaging has been poor. That hasnt cost lives, quite the opposite, the government has cost lives.

Your ridiculous assertion from downing street that deaths are lower than the seasonal averages is pure just nonsense. Stop peddling these ridiculous conspiracies.

 

[marsh]

I used to quite enjoy seeing people views in this thread, now its become very boring

 

[toffeejack]

Sky keep saying you can have two options, one of which is no crowd noise (which is my stream). Given how hard it would be to remove it in real time in post, I'm assuming it's not played at the ground.

I had seen things written down like options of sound or not, seems weird.

 

[gwladysnight]

Of course they should. Noting their ethnicity in a debate about racism doesnt do that.

Of course, it does. Bringing up the ethnicity of a professor is casual racism.

You are repeating spurious and ridiculous comments. The report doesnt show what you think. You were wrong. Factors beyond deprivation are at play. Your first response was to attack people who supported this report.

Every single time I have mentioned deprivation I have also mentioned exposure. They are the two key indicators for a worse outcome when age is removed from the equation. As I BAME individual working on the front line I READ EVERY REPORT WITH UNDERSTANDABLE SELF-INTEREST. The only peer reviewed research I have come across that shows anything else is the possible role of vitamin D. There is a train of thought that the BAME population have lower levels of vitamin D because the interaction of melatonin in vitamin D from sunlight in people with darker skin. That is why I take a vitamin D supplement.

If you have any evidence of any other reason for a worse outcome then please share it.

I have not admitted to doing anything of the sort. If you keep lying about people they get cross with you.
I said with LFC I will sometimes outline what a worst case scenario might be. At no point have I said it is to provoke a reaction. Ironically my predictions, meant slightly tongue in cheek are far more accurate than almost every Kopite prediction you see.

I have said nothing in this thread that has put lives at risk. Its frankly another insulting, unhelpful and completely ridiculous remark. You keep making silly statements like this and wonder why people get angry with you.

All I've said is that we need to take the response more seriously, and the governments messaging has been poor. That hasnt cost lives, quite the opposite, the government has cost lives.

Your ridiculous assertion from downing street that deaths are lower than the seasonal averages is pure just nonsense. Stop peddling these ridiculous conspiracies.

You stated that testing had no mitigation value, whilst the NHS is trying to test, trace and self isolate people who have had an extended exposure to people with COVID-19.