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Proposed changes to the Premier league

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I’ve only just realised that lots of games are now going to be on Sky box office and BT pay per view. Shocking that
 
riddick said:
I don't get scrapping the Charity Shield. Yes, it's slightly more glorified than a friendly but it's solely between 2 teams, it's one match and all proceeds go to charities. Why would anynone say "yeah, that needs to go"?
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The greed clubs dont male money from it
 
catcherintherye said:
Why would the FA leave?
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Not sure on the FA but may have got a little confusing, the real proposition put was United, Liverpool and the others leave the premier league (which has a tie in with the FA, it holding a golden share) - also the proposed European super league of elite clubs who would look to the top six elite not the remainder left behind. It was pointed out the FA decides who represents us, but that is under UEFAs existing rules. What's being mooted by the elite is a new super league, UEFA won't fall out with the real power brokers in Europe, it's effectively run by them anyway.

FWIW I don't think they will break from the prem, but have apparently threatened to do so, for any threat to be credible it needs solid foundations and to have been thought through. They've been planning this for a long time, especially in the last few months, but before then too, which makes me suspect they wouldn't just issue baseless and empty threats that carry no substance.

I posted what I suspect is the far likelier scenario...

This plan has no chance whatsoever but it's very probably a stalking horse, promote the discussion, see the main objections and then try with a far more realistic plan.

It's a standard negotiating tactic to come up with a plan A being something so unfair and so full of self interest you never expect it to get anywhere. So outlining nothing but an outlandish power grab for the elite but getting it out in the open and aired before coming up with something far less severe, which by comparison seems totally reasonable and not too bad, except it just isn't. They may then hope clubs see the ground they've given, plan A being totally and hopelessly unrealistic and be 'grateful that 'reasonable' plan B is so mild, when all the time plan B was all that the elite really wanted or thought achievable.

Plan B will follow quicky enough.
 
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catcherintherye said:
Yes all very fair. I mean essentially the view that the top 6 boards all have a shared viewpoint is probably not the case. I'm sure City would on the one hand be open to more inequality in how TV funds are distributed on prize money, but might be nervous of more PPV as they know they'd lose ground to United/Liverpool. In truth, there must also be a private feeling at City that grinding United into the ground is a good thing. It will allow City to further monopolise the City of Manchester as the leading club- which puts them in a very strong position. Why would they want to save United?
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As I said City and Chelsea are the only owners who put their own money into the club
Giving United and the scum more money does not suit their ambitions
 

toffeeblue9 said:
I think we probably need to accept that some reform is happening - and whilst we might not *like* some of it, it's probably worth the other 14 sides working out what are the show-stoppers for them and what they may be prepared to accept. I've had a go at listing what I think would be *probably* ok if we had to compromise (and let's be honest, compromise is going to be needed for the good of the league because we don't want a breakaway super league or whatever regardless of what the angry reaction to the proposals might be - it wouldn't be in our interests or the interests of the rest of the PL) and the bits which are non-starters as they would forever shift the balance of power and wealth distribution in the league which would reduce competition.

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  • The Premier League will be cut from 20 to 18 teams, with the Championship, League One and League Two all keeping their usual 24 clubs - This isn't ideal as we get to see less league football, but I think it's one we can compromise on
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Why would Fulham fans or any of the bottom 10 prem teams accept reducing the number of teams?
 
catcherintherye said:
Yes I mean essentially much of this. Personally I would also not move to an 18 team league. I have yet to see any evidence that a smaller league than the PL have had more success. In fact all evidence points to it being less successful.

Charity Shield- yes that can go if needs be. Personally I'd keep the league cup but can see sense in moving it on.

Support for womens orgs, ticketing, payments to lower leagues etc, that should all stay. Voting, amendment of shareholders and disparity in TV payments should stay as they are, or ideally become more equal. Likewise, no PPV games.

If they want a compromise, there it is.
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There’s no way they’ll get 14 teams to accept an 18 team league, because they will lose out on four games worth of money (2 home).
 
riddick said:
I don't get scrapping the Charity Shield. Yes, it's slightly more glorified than a friendly but it's solely between 2 teams, it's one match and all proceeds go to charities. Why would anynone say "yeah, that needs to go"?
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Why not take it abroad to get that foreign market they’re so obsessed with.
 
number4. said:
Final point (i promise) while the UK remains the key economic area for PL rights (55% I think), I expect part of the reasoning for Project big idea; is the perceived undervaluation of overseas rights.
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There's no doubt that the overseas rights are what is pushing it. Again though, there is very little actual evidence to support the view they hold. It's an opinion they have, and again, it's not an opinion without credence, but the opinion can also be challenged with other legitimate opinions which don't seem to get given the same sway.

My own view on it would be, that the overseas market would be a lot more fickle than the domestic market, and the volatility would be even greater than within the UK. They also seem to buy in to the "Englishness" of the product- the fans, the back stories, the title races, the relegation dog fights, the best players in the world operating in the league, and crucially a competitive league where any side can beat any other etc. As long as you've got that, you'll have fans abroad.

Project big idea is essentially the result of the fact that several myths have been left unchallenged within the media, and two teams seem to view them as fact and are having a bit of a tantrum as a result.
 

ValBlue said:
Sky suggesting that 6 PL clubs support the idea, praying that it’s the obvious ‘big 6’ and not us.
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The things to note, are support and be willing to vote for are different things. 6 is also a long long way off 14. Given the meeting is today, that leaves it in enormous jeapardy.
 
Chris O'Connor said:
The 'they' in the second paragraph referred to 'the big six' leave the prem, not the FA.

Sorry for not being clear enough to follow, probably needed a reread and edit but didn't bother
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No issues mate, I just thought it would be very odd the FA would want to leave.

Look Rick Parry has offered them the option. Join the EFL. If they generate the weatmh like people say, the EFL would replace the PL wouldn't it? It's surprising how when given a viable way out they don't see to want to take it.

I am right in saying, the FA does have some control over the EFL? Or is that not the case?
 

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